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slidecage · 16 June 2025, 10:43

@DAZ0273 said:

@slidecage said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@slidecage said:
how can you concider the game fun when

Pvp it always against the same 2 or 3 teams Hell i was doing level 10 and fell down to level 8 thinking maybe it be different BUT nope same teams same high levels blah blah blah

SCL does NOT change the opponents you see in PVP. It is determined by your roster strength. Dropping down to level 8 is doing nothing but lowering the rewards you can earn.

The only thing that may change up the teams you see is choosing to play a different time slice.

This is why I have to assume slidecage is another elaborate wind up. How can you play the game 10 years and be on the forum and not even know what SCL selection does or doesn't do? 10 years... It's like drinking wine for 10 years and then saying " Why does this grape juice make me drunk?!?!?"

I thought they changed that a few years back so mostly if you make. 3. 550 your screwed

That is why I'm thinking of just playing on my tablet. Day 38

That's MMR. I don't understand how 550 is screwed? You fight players that are at that level because the game is trying to do it's job correctly. It doesn't matter which SCL event you join. If you want to beat up on easy teams you have to break MMR which means scoring a certain level of points. This game doesn't really let you beat up rosters much lower than yours because how would that be any fun for them?

how is it any fun if its the same team in pvp even if i hit skip 50 times ''

i thought years ago they said they changed it and it was now based on your ranking what teams you would face... meaning if i do 700 to 1000 pts in pvp i would fight other teams like that but im if facing xxx and xxx and score 0 pts for 5 pvp in a row you would think i would be facing people who score 0 pts instead of the same teams who do 700 to 1000 pts in each pvp'

i got 0 in the last 5 pvp yet im still giting those teams

LavaManLee · 16 June 2025, 12:03

@sambrookjm said:

@Scofie said:

I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

The cheese team on the CN probably saves a bunch of time, regardless of who you're facing. I'll have to try that sometime.

Could you help me understand what is meant by cheese team? I've seen that in various definitions and not sure exactly what it means in this context. Thanks!

DAZ0273 · 16 June 2025, 12:04

@slidecage said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@slidecage said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@slidecage said:
how can you concider the game fun when

Pvp it always against the same 2 or 3 teams Hell i was doing level 10 and fell down to level 8 thinking maybe it be different BUT nope same teams same high levels blah blah blah

SCL does NOT change the opponents you see in PVP. It is determined by your roster strength. Dropping down to level 8 is doing nothing but lowering the rewards you can earn.

The only thing that may change up the teams you see is choosing to play a different time slice.

This is why I have to assume slidecage is another elaborate wind up. How can you play the game 10 years and be on the forum and not even know what SCL selection does or doesn't do? 10 years... It's like drinking wine for 10 years and then saying " Why does this grape juice make me drunk?!?!?"

I thought they changed that a few years back so mostly if you make. 3. 550 your screwed

That is why I'm thinking of just playing on my tablet. Day 38

That's MMR. I don't understand how 550 is screwed? You fight players that are at that level because the game is trying to do it's job correctly. It doesn't matter which SCL event you join. If you want to beat up on easy teams you have to break MMR which means scoring a certain level of points. This game doesn't really let you beat up rosters much lower than yours because how would that be any fun for them?

how is it any fun if its the same team in pvp even if i hit skip 50 times ''

i thought years ago they said they changed it and it was now based on your ranking what teams you would face... meaning if i do 700 to 1000 pts in pvp i would fight other teams like that but im if facing xxx and xxx and score 0 pts for 5 pvp in a row you would think i would be facing people who score 0 pts instead of the same teams who do 700 to 1000 pts in each pvp'

i got 0 in the last 5 pvp yet im still giting those teams

Scoring 0 in a PVP as a 550 player is crazy bad.

The MMR in MPQ is based upon the ELO Ranking system, FYI! Who you can see to fight are based upon the following factors:

1.) The average level of your highest levelled characters - so in this case it would be 550
2.) Which slice you are playing in and who else is playing and at what time
3.) Your score
4.) Players available to fight unshielded

As far as can be ascertained, boosts are not counted for MMR purposes so the game will give you boosted 550 enemies because it considers them to just be 550.

Questions:

What characters are you using?
When are you playing?
Which team is it you cannot defeat?
Seed teams? Do you never see them?
Are your 550's never boosted? Don't you have 550 boosted 1*?

There are many experts on the Forum who could assist you with playing PVP, if you are willing to listen to them and apply the effort needed. Obviously that last bit would be on you.

Edit: I should also add that I think I have just grasped what your complaint is! You think that at lower level scores you would get easier teams and these increase in difficulty as you advance? Is that right? If so then no, the game has never worked like that. If that isn't what you meant though maybe you can explain.

Blazpheme · 16 June 2025, 13:01

how is it any fun if its the same team in pvp even if i hit skip 50 times ''

I'm not sure how you're playing, but it seems that I don't usually start to run into the same teams repeatedly until after a dozen or so wins (and most certainly around 20 wins) - not right off the bat. Even then, I will take a run at them and the loss seems to knock me down in points enough to see more variety again. To be clear, I play strictly for progression (although I did inexplicably place 1st on one occasion during a Cyclops PVP), so the loss of points is no big deal if it gets me out of the clone zone.

While I understand how droll it is to see the same teams appear over and over, your point about that seems to have been overshadowed by the near-constant criticism of other aspects of the game, both here and elsewhere on the forum. And I can't help but wonder, like so many others have, why doesn't Mr. Complainy-Pants just quit playing already?

I've been there myself, in another game called Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast. There was an Arena mode that was notorious for seeing the same defense teams over and over because some players were obsessed with high weekly rankings. It got old, so I stopped doing Arena battles and focused on story mode and events. Eventually, chasing the latest new thing got old as well, and I stepped off of my own free will - without griping about it on the game forums.

I returned after a while, but the time away did me good, and there was a whole bunch of things to do that had piled up during that time. So seriously, consider taking a break from MPQ if it bothers you so much. You clearly have a lot on your plate outside of the game (you could probably tone down on the oversharing as well), so maybe some time away might help put things into perspective for you.

Now I am not trying to tell you what to do, I haven't the foggiest idea who you are on the other side of that screen, or how important this game is to you. But this conversation keeps going in circles, where someone makes a suggestion and you reply with an excuse why that won't work for you or how it is still not good enough for you or whatever whatever whatever. I am just saying that maybe it is time you had a nice long conversation with yourself and figure out what you really want from this game - and if you cannot find that, then you should probably move on to something else.

In closing, if you do choose to stay, and I seriously hope you do, maybe add something funny or interesting to the conversation instead of the usual grumblings, and maybe Ghost Rider won't have to drag you to a fear dimension with his hellfire chain.

slidecage · 16 June 2025, 15:05

Soon as I start it's either 550 juggie teams with sam. Or thor with chi

Wheb I say 0. Mostly just skipping the pvp. I joined today and what I see. Those same teams as soon as starting

I do have 550 boosted but it's just boring having to fit the same teams

About stepping away over this past 3 months did big time

From 12 wins per pvp. Now to mostly not playing one match

Pve from doing all easy clears to get 3 free tokens to mostly none

I think the biggest problem is now I got most of my 1s to 550. And know it will be years before getting 2 to 4 there there is mostly nothing to chase. (I do have some. 234 rank at 5 ) That is why bored

About opening up the ll and getting more or spending the cp. I will do that if a new 5 star I want (did spend 5k cp going after someone before so if they did release someone like that those co go fast). Or even releasing a 6 star those cp will be spent fast

Do they give you free levels in season pass. Haven't played that much yet I'm rank 53

Teams use
Pvp most 1 550 and random 2nd

Pve. I don't a problem playing that is wanted. 5 star aunt may 528 with Emma to boost may. Round 1 with the 3 plus 1. Gives 100k hit to all don't think I got a faster team then that

I just don't see how people are saying 30 mins to end in first place. I used that team and took me around 15 to 20 mins just to do 4 clears in each now. (Maybe I'm clucking slower. That would be an hour doing 4. Clears

About same teams. That does don't work for me either when I was playing pvp and then had all the same teams. Even if I lost 3 times in row. Those same teams would be only ones I get

DAZ0273 · 16 June 2025, 15:52

Players are not going to stop playing meta teams. Your options are find ways to beat them or don't. The Devs are not going to announce when they release a character that you spend your hoard on. So if you are playing that strategy accept that is on you and you are stunting your game progress gambling on a future pay off that might not happen.

You have the resources to do literally anything you want. Why not get Aunt May to 550 and compete in PvE ( you will still not win) as best you can? Why not get your own 550 Sam and Juggs if you don't have them?

I imagine 30 minutes for 1st place is a possibility rather than a guarantee, maybe don't fixate on it? 1st place takes more than just that unless you can find some lucky flip that remember other players are searching for too.

MMR is not going to change.

Why would 6* improve things? You would then still be left in the situation you are in now as not being able to get placement you want for the easy ride unless you can outspend others. You want an easy competitive advantage but you already have it with 550 characters but still want to play on easy mode.

Scofie · 16 June 2025, 15:59

Oh right, forgot to mention the Bracket Updates on Discord that announce when flips happen! They're really important!

slidecage · 16 June 2025, 16:11

@DAZ0273 said:
Players are not going to stop playing meta teams. Your options are find ways to beat them or don't. The Devs are not going to announce when they release a character that you spend your hoard on. So if you are playing that strategy accept that is on you and you are stunting your game progress gambling on a future pay off that might not happen.

You have the resources to do literally anything you want. Why not get Aunt May to 550 and compete in PvE ( you will still not win) as best you can? Why not get your own 550 Sam and Juggs if you don't have them?

I imagine 30 minutes for 1st place is a possibility rather than a guarantee, maybe don't fixate on it? 1st place takes more than just that unless you can find some lucky flip that remember other players are searching for too.

MMR is not going to change.

Why would 6* improve things? You would then still be left in the situation you are in now as not being able to get placement you want for the easy ride unless you can outspend others. You want an easy competitive advantage but you already have it with 550 characters but still want to play on easy mode.

No someone said they took first place by only playing 30 mins of pve and was shocked it was that low. When I did play pve it was never for rank neither is pvp. Was saying I couldn't believe you could take first for that little time

I'm slowly getting my 5 star may to 550 opening up packs. Same with sam juggie (got juggie as fav after getting Polaris up to 5). I'm pretty my aunt may right now could do zero wins up to 2 or 3 clears on each node if I wanted to

Am not sure where this EASY RIDE came from. Don't care about rewards I just like chance to play different freaking teams and have fun instead of being crushed by turn 5

How the hell do I have advantage when I'm still fighting nothing but 550 same team
How would 6 stars do anything. It would give me something to chase. Just like when I got the 450 1 stars I had something to chase to get them to 550

Really can't do that with 2 3 4. Since basic tokens only give 1s.

Maybe if the started handing out in mission mode more 2 star tokens. That would give me something to chase

I do a 4 star ant man getting ready to rank up to 5. Just need 6 more covers

BriMan2222 · 16 June 2025, 16:29

@slidecage said:
Soon as I start it's either 550 juggie teams with sam. Or thor with chi

Wheb I say 0. Mostly just skipping the pvp. I joined today and what I see. Those same teams as soon as starting

I do have 550 boosted but it's just boring having to fit the same teams

About stepping away over this past 3 months did big time

From 12 wins per pvp. Now to mostly not playing one match

Pve from doing all easy clears to get 3 free tokens to mostly none

I think the biggest problem is now I got most of my 1s to 550. And know it will be years before getting 2 to 4 there there is mostly nothing to chase. (I do have some. 234 rank at 5 ) That is why bored

About opening up the ll and getting more or spending the cp. I will do that if a new 5 star I want (did spend 5k cp going after someone before so if they did release someone like that those co go fast). Or even releasing a 6 star those cp will be spent fast

Do they give you free levels in season pass. Haven't played that much yet I'm rank 53

Teams use
Pvp most 1 550 and random 2nd

Pve. I don't a problem playing that is wanted. 5 star aunt may 528 with Emma to boost may. Round 1 with the 3 plus 1. Gives 100k hit to all don't think I got a faster team then that

I just don't see how people are saying 30 mins to end in first place. I used that team and took me around 15 to 20 mins just to do 4 clears in each now. (Maybe I'm clucking slower. That would be an hour doing 4. Clears

About same teams. That does don't work for me either when I was playing pvp and then had all the same teams. Even if I lost 3 times in row. Those same teams would be only ones I get

Maybe try changing the time slice you play, because your experience is wildly different from mine and we should have the same MMR.

I play in slice 2 and join sometime when there's a bit less than 2 days left in the event. I see mostly pretty easy teams from 0 to 600. Mthor teams, polaris teams, 1a5 teams. Usually in the lvl 480 range and usually with low level supports.

From 600 to 800 or 900 i start seeing the jugg/sam teams but usually I can still find other teams.

Over 900 I start only being able to see the 672 boosted teams. This week I'm seeing a lot of Wong and Dark beast and some 1a5 juggernaut, some 5 star kamala khan, 5 star prof x and even morbius. I myself have been using 1a5 juggernaut and 2a5 storm.

I do not see the wall of everyone running the same meta teams that you describe.

Borstock · 16 June 2025, 18:25

I see the wall slide sees, and I even see those teams from 0, but there are usually other options until a certain points threshold (800ish). Then, it's pretty much SamJugg all day long unless there's a stronger 672/boosted option for people to mess with.

The Deadpool PVP that just ran was almost exclusively SamJugg teams with a few 672 1a5 Jugg teams thrown in for good measure. I didn't see a single Kamala or Morbius. Saw maybe 2 Dark Beasts. Wong and Prof X showed up a few times.

But, yeah, every match worth taking, points-wise, was just SamJugg teams. Worked out for me, because I just picked on them with Thorlaris. Finished 2nd, for what it's worth.

LennoxHC · 16 June 2025, 18:41

@LavaManLee said:

@sambrookjm said:

@Scofie said:

I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

The cheese team on the CN probably saves a bunch of time, regardless of who you're facing. I'll have to try that sometime.

Could you help me understand what is meant by cheese team? I've seen that in various definitions and not sure exactly what it means in this context. Thanks!

I think the cheese teams are the alternate win condition teams like KangVeil or Coulson + Multiple Man. For challenge nodes, these wins can come a lot quicker than trying to melt through all the hit points.

ETA: Hey, in the Deadpool PVP, I think I punched at @Borstock with my KangVeil cheese team. I figure you squashed me back in the retaliation so quickly you wouldn't have even noticed.

sambrookjm · 16 June 2025, 19:35

@LavaManLee said:

@sambrookjm said:

@Scofie said:

I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

The cheese team on the CN probably saves a bunch of time, regardless of who you're facing. I'll have to try that sometime.

Could you help me understand what is meant by cheese team? I've seen that in various definitions and not sure exactly what it means in this context. Thanks!

The original post referenced:
"EyeM4Kang cheese team"

I'm assuming this is 5-star Hawkeye, Multiple Man, and 5-star Kang. This team doesn't win by knocking all of the enemies down to zero health, but either by sending all of them away via Kang's blue, or (far more likely) getting a bunch of Multiple Man tiles on the board. Starting off with +2 All AP makes this pretty easy, provided your characters are high enough levels to survive a couple of hit backs from the 650 enemies..

BriMan2222 · 16 June 2025, 19:49

I just joined slice 2 pvp with about 1 day and 9 hours left. These are the teams I saw on my climb from 0 to 700 in 550 MMR. If you're looking for more variety, consider joining slice 2 and seeing how it works out for you...

slidecage · 16 June 2025, 20:35

I try that next time. Thanks for all the help and input

LennoxHC · 16 June 2025, 21:21

@sambrookjm said:

@LavaManLee said:

@sambrookjm said:

@Scofie said:

I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

The cheese team on the CN probably saves a bunch of time, regardless of who you're facing. I'll have to try that sometime.

Could you help me understand what is meant by cheese team? I've seen that in various definitions and not sure exactly what it means in this context. Thanks!

The original post referenced:
"EyeM4Kang cheese team"

I'm assuming this is 5-star Hawkeye, Multiple Man, and 5-star Kang. This team doesn't win by knocking all of the enemies down to zero health, but either by sending all of them away via Kang's blue, or (far more likely) getting a bunch of Multiple Man tiles on the board. Starting off with +2 All AP makes this pretty easy, provided your characters are high enough levels to survive a couple of hit backs from the 650 enemies..

I believe that reference was to 5-star Hawkeye, 3-star Iron Man, and Kang. That cheese team works when you start with enough AP to throw Iron Man's yellow. Hawkeye will then fortify the countdowns, and when they resolve, you should have enough blue AP to send everyone away.

sambrookjm · 16 June 2025, 21:29

@LennoxHC said:

@sambrookjm said:

@LavaManLee said:

@sambrookjm said:

@Scofie said:

I normally use Grocket/Juggs/Polaris (all ascended in the 470s) for the pick 3 nodes, Grocket/Polaris for the pick 2, and the EyeM4Kang cheese team for the CN. There are faster teams than that but it requires little thinking. Some nodes might benefit from switching teams if they are anti-polaris but most of the time they die quickly if you target the right character.

The cheese team on the CN probably saves a bunch of time, regardless of who you're facing. I'll have to try that sometime.

Could you help me understand what is meant by cheese team? I've seen that in various definitions and not sure exactly what it means in this context. Thanks!

The original post referenced:
"EyeM4Kang cheese team"

I'm assuming this is 5-star Hawkeye, Multiple Man, and 5-star Kang. This team doesn't win by knocking all of the enemies down to zero health, but either by sending all of them away via Kang's blue, or (far more likely) getting a bunch of Multiple Man tiles on the board. Starting off with +2 All AP makes this pretty easy, provided your characters are high enough levels to survive a couple of hit backs from the 650 enemies..

I believe that reference was to 5-star Hawkeye, 3-star Iron Man, and Kang. That cheese team works when you start with enough AP to throw Iron Man's yellow. Hawkeye will then fortify the countdowns, and when they resolve, you should have enough blue AP to send everyone away.

+2 Blue AP, +2 All AP, and +2 Yellow AP. Throw on some supports for Yellow AP so he can cast it first turn, and activate Recharge if it triggers.

End of Turn 1 - 4 Blue, 3 countdowns
End of Turn 2 - 3 Fortified countdowns
End of Turn 3 - Countdowns go off. Assuming none of them have been matched/destroyed, that's +12 Blue AP from a 3-star Iron Man Ascended to 4-stars. Hawkeye gives you +9 for +21 blue that turn. This gives you 25 Blue AP.

Kang's 3xAway is 27 blue. If you make a blue match at some point (or have a +X blue AP support that also triggers), it should work.

Do you just retreat if the yellow doesn't trigger?

LavaManLee · 16 June 2025, 22:04

Greatly appreciate the info.

I guess a follow up question: what the heck is the definition of a "cheese" team? Not who is in it, but what a "cheese team" actually means. The answers above seem to vary all over and not certain what makes a team cheese? I am baffled at this point.

entrailbucket · 16 June 2025, 22:26

@LavaManLee said:
Greatly appreciate the info.

I guess a follow up question: what the heck is the definition of a "cheese" team? Not who is in it, but what a "cheese team" actually means. The answers above seem to vary all over and not certain what makes a team cheese? I am baffled at this point.

I'd define it as a team that can win against any opponent on offense but presents zero resistance on defense. Not just a team that loses on defense (that's almost all of them!) but one that's so weak that it dies to a few matches.

Borstock · 16 June 2025, 22:29

Oh no, not another debate like "what constitutes a meta team?". This thread will never ever die.

ThisisClemFandango · 16 June 2025, 22:38

@Scofie said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Point of order!

I believe I am the most loved poster
However my psychiatrist has said I have unrealistic grandiose ideas and then have a petty occupation with revenge and retaliation.....
But we are gonna see about that.

I think you may be confusing yourself with @OfficialClemFandango... 😉

He gets 4 likes but I get nothing for an awesome joke?!
Also 4 likes mentioning that usurper, he isn't even funny

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