MPQ 12th Anniversary Celebrations

Seph1roth5

@BriMan2222 said:

I don't have much hope there. Chasm is the one and only nerf in the history of the game that wasn't crushed by the nerf bat, and he was the new devs first character creation. He was their baby, I'm sure that was a big factor as to why they were gentle with him.

Uhhh what lol? Chasm got nerfed 10x more than necessary. They hit every aspect of his powers. I only bother using him when I want the start of battle stun now.

toecutter3095

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

That's perhaps an inditement on how little they do to promote the buffs. Running a special store/vault would help grab people's attention, injecting them into the play rotation in some way as a required character would "force" players to see the results of their work. Dropping a forum post (if they remember) is less likely to get players to reevaluate a character that has already been relegated to the "only when required" category.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

I think you might have to understand that not everyone is in a position to ascend Puck. I bow to your knowledge and accept he might be awesome but I and a lot of other players don't yet have a max champed Puck yet alone an ascended one. Honest question - is Puck so amazing that I should now concentrate on only maxing him, getting a dupe and then ascending? Or is he just one of the ascended guys you just have in your locker which is great? You could probably tell me that another 20 ascended characters are great but they are not in my reach. So 4* Puck for now remains meh for me even if he can be great.

entrailbucket

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

I think you might have to understand that not everyone is in a position to ascend Puck. I bow to your knowledge and accept he might be awesome but I and a lot of other players don't yet have a max champed Puck yet alone an ascended one. Honest question - is Puck so amazing that I should now concentrate on only maxing him, getting a dupe and then ascending? Or is he just one of the ascended guys you just have in your locker which is great? You could probably tell me that another 20 ascended characters are great but they are not in my reach. So 4* Puck for now remains meh for me even if he can be great.

He has the Thanos Copter tile spinning ability as a passive every time he makes a match, and every time he loses 10% of his health he passively AoEs for 10k, which means killing him costs your team 100k health (at lvl480, unboosted... multiply by 2.5 or so for boost week). He has 3 active abilities at 6ap that are mostly fine.

He does need to tank to get maximum value, but he's pretty good.

I'm confused about how anyone wouldn't be in a position to ascend anyone. We have bonus heroes, cover swapping...I see 550 Juggernauts and M'bakus and even 3* Namors everywhere. Sure, you might have to target Puck to get any use out of him, but why is that different than any other character?

entrailbucket

@toecutter3095 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

That's perhaps an inditement on how little they do to promote the buffs. Running a special store/vault would help grab people's attention, injecting them into the play rotation in some way as a required character would "force" players to see the results of their work. Dropping a forum post (if they remember) is less likely to get players to reevaluate a character that has already been relegated to the "only when required" category.

They absolutely should, but I'm not sure how much it would help. I just don't think those players are being honest about what they want. Many players prefer a game where only a few characters matter and the rest can be ignored.

WhiteBomber

I championed Puck as soon as I read his buffdate (I really liked the changes). He suffers from the same problem at 4star as MBaku does though, the match damage is just useless, and they both require it.

However, once MBaku gets to 5 star, his match damage goes off the rails without a ton of levels, and Puck still needs a lot of levels to get his best value. I often considered ascending him regardless because who doesn't want a free Thanoscopter?

I think what Daz was mentioning though wasn't "should I ascend Puck ever", more so, "why should I choose puck over, MBaku, Juggs, Coulson, Multiman etc. when it's going to take months for lower level players to get there".

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:
I championed Puck as soon as I read his buffdate (I really liked the changes). He suffers from the same problem at 4star as MBaku does though, the match damage is just useless, and they both require it.

However, once MBaku gets to 5 star, his match damage goes off the rails without a ton of levels, and Puck still needs a lot of levels to get his best value. I often considered ascending him regardless because who doesn't want a free Thanoscopter?

I think what Daz was mentioning though wasn't "should I ascend Puck ever", more so, "why should I choose puck over, MBaku, Juggs, Coulson, Multiman etc. when it's going to take months for lower level players to get there".

Hey, that's my line!

No, I get it, re: ascension priorities. But what he (or somebody else? I have already forgotten) said was that Puck was bad (or useless, or something like that).

And that's a completely different question entirely! Like M'baku is also pretty bad at 4*, but nobody says he's a worthless character.

BriMan2222

@Seph1roth5 said:

@BriMan2222 said:

I don't have much hope there. Chasm is the one and only nerf in the history of the game that wasn't crushed by the nerf bat, and he was the new devs first character creation. He was their baby, I'm sure that was a big factor as to why they were gentle with him.

Uhhh what lol? Chasm got nerfed 10x more than necessary. They hit every aspect of his powers. I only bother using him when I want the start of battle stun now.

I'll just go ahead and refer you back to my comment the last time you made the crazy claim that chasm was nerfed too much...

...concensus was that he's the best nerf they've done and how we'd like to see nerfs handled.

WhiteBomber

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
I championed Puck as soon as I read his buffdate (I really liked the changes). He suffers from the same problem at 4star as MBaku does though, the match damage is just useless, and they both require it.

However, once MBaku gets to 5 star, his match damage goes off the rails without a ton of levels, and Puck still needs a lot of levels to get his best value. I often considered ascending him regardless because who doesn't want a free Thanoscopter?

I think what Daz was mentioning though wasn't "should I ascend Puck ever", more so, "why should I choose puck over, MBaku, Juggs, Coulson, Multiman etc. when it's going to take months for lower level players to get there".

Hey, that's my line!

No, I get it, re: ascension priorities. But what he (or somebody else? I have already forgotten) said was that Puck was bad (or useless, or something like that).

And that's a completely different question entirely! Like M'baku is also pretty bad at 4*, but nobody says he's a worthless character.

Oh yeah, he's definitely a useless 4 star, but I would love to lab him as a higher level 5. I think his changes weren't big enough for people to immediately ascend him, but surely most people just didn't pay much attention (even though he got that sweet outfit! ).

Also, that damn Thanoscopter immediately stole his thunder. Those rotations hurt a whole lot more when it's Juggs, Chasm or someone else's match damage.

DAZ0273

Put another way - should I ascend Puck or Couldon> @entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
I championed Puck as soon as I read his buffdate (I really liked the changes). He suffers from the same problem at 4star as MBaku does though, the match damage is just useless, and they both require it.

However, once MBaku gets to 5 star, his match damage goes off the rails without a ton of levels, and Puck still needs a lot of levels to get his best value. I often considered ascending him regardless because who doesn't want a free Thanoscopter?

I think what Daz was mentioning though wasn't "should I ascend Puck ever", more so, "why should I choose puck over, MBaku, Juggs, Coulson, Multiman etc. when it's going to take months for lower level players to get there".

Hey, that's my line!

No, I get it, re: ascension priorities. But what he (or somebody else? I have already forgotten) said was that Puck was bad (or useless, or something like that).

And that's a completely different question entirely! Like M'baku is also pretty bad at 4*, but nobody says he's a worthless character.

I never said Puck was bad I don't think but without experiencing him ascended I have no idea that he is good. I am currently using my bonus at 4* level to max champ everybody I can so eventually Puck will get there but he is down the list level wise.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@toecutter3095 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

That's perhaps an inditement on how little they do to promote the buffs. Running a special store/vault would help grab people's attention, injecting them into the play rotation in some way as a required character would "force" players to see the results of their work. Dropping a forum post (if they remember) is less likely to get players to reevaluate a character that has already been relegated to the "only when required" category.

They absolutely should, but I'm not sure how much it would help. I just don't think those players are being honest about what they want. Many players prefer a game where only a few characters matter and the rest can be ignored.

If this was aimed at me then absolutely not. I am a champ everybody player but I just don't have the resources to ascend everybody being iso poor. I also only got my first max champed 4 right around the time ascension came out so I was in the hole from the beginning. I don't have any 3a5 either, nor any 1a5. I am saving up to champ Zemo!

My Puck is only lvl321 so with 49 covers to go just to max champ him I can't see this happening anytime soon as I will also need a dupe. Ascension is so time and resource draining and whilst I do have some 4a5 and am working on some more it is a slow moving process.

Pottsie1980

I guess if someone decided to 550 puck and caught a lot of people off guard in pvp, others would prioritise him. I would have a handful of 4*s I would focus on before him

bluewolf

Why is this thread now an ascension discussion?

Anyway I’m just waiting to see how much of the time we’ve spent chasing characters will be invalidated by nerfs and 6s.

And now EB will tell me no advantage is permanent etc etc.

DAZ0273

It sort of spun off talk bout nerfs and buffs, sorry!

I actually think there is a discussion to be had about the 5* tier generally and where all this leaves us.

bluewolf

@DAZ0273 said:
It sort of spun off talk bout nerfs and buffs, sorry!

I actually think there is a discussion to be had about the 5* tier generally and where all this leaves us.

Undoubtedly!

They are radically shaking up things and if nothing else they got people speculating like crazy until details get revealed, apparently some this week. The new season is 9 days away.

It will be interesting to see.

DAZ0273

I found it interesting how they are just throwing 5* Ghost Rider at us in the season pass. I guess it could just be that GR is a bit average but even so don't remember them chucking this level of 5* covers at us for what amounts to 1500 HP. I like it and hope it continues of course but it does beg the question is this a one off or are we suddenly going to see a flood of ways to get 5* covers moving forward.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:
Why is this thread now an ascension discussion?

Anyway I’m just waiting to see how much of the time we’ve spent chasing characters will be invalidated by nerfs and 6s.

And now EB will tell me no advantage is permanent etc etc.

Eh, nerfs suck for players generally. And if it's the first (or second, or third, etc) time you get demolished because they nerfed the guy you went all in on, it's a big shock and can really mess you up. But this is not new.

I spent forever (relatively) chasing Ragnarok, and he got stealth nerfed the day I finally fully covered him. I used nothing but Patch/Magneto and got really good at it, then Magneto got killed. By the time the Sentry nerf rolled around, I saw it coming and already had a backup plan.

Have a backup plan. Don't go all in. If you put all your eggs in one basket there's a pretty good chance your basket will get nerfed (or your eggs? not sure).

DAZ0273

Funny thing is that you can also just naturally arrive at a situation. I couldn't tell you why but my two highest characters are Shang and Jane but I have never chased either. Possibly they have been in lots of vaults or stuff? Until 5* Nova got released I hadn't really been using Jane much and likewise Shang preferring to use the boosted fives (I don't really play SHIELD Sim unless of course you give me 50 easy wins!). I do enjoy Nova and Jane though. So if they are nerfed I'm sad but life moves on. Of course then you get a boost week like this one and sheesh, you can only win so many battles with Hunter and Black Widow, even boosted.

entrailbucket

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@toecutter3095 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

That's perhaps an inditement on how little they do to promote the buffs. Running a special store/vault would help grab people's attention, injecting them into the play rotation in some way as a required character would "force" players to see the results of their work. Dropping a forum post (if they remember) is less likely to get players to reevaluate a character that has already been relegated to the "only when required" category.

They absolutely should, but I'm not sure how much it would help. I just don't think those players are being honest about what they want. Many players prefer a game where only a few characters matter and the rest can be ignored.

If this was aimed at me then absolutely not. I am a champ everybody player but I just don't have the resources to ascend everybody being iso poor. I also only got my first max champed 4 right around the time ascension came out so I was in the hole from the beginning. I don't have any 3a5 either, nor any 1a5. I am saving up to champ Zemo!

My Puck is only lvl321 so with 49 covers to go just to max champ him I can't see this happening anytime soon as I will also need a dupe. Ascension is so time and resource draining and whilst I do have some 4a5 and am working on some more it is a slow moving process.

Not directed at you (probably?). A common argument here is "So what if a few characters are stronger than everyone else? Don't nerf them, just buff the weak ones. We want to use all the characters, but we can't because so many are bad."

Then they buff the weak characters and everybody ignores them and goes on using m'Thor or whoever, because they don't actually want buffs, they just don't want their overpowered stuff to be nerfed.

The guy who said Puck was bad initially wasn't you either, I went back and checked.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@toecutter3095 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I guess it's funny because, again, folks ask for them to buff the unused characters instead of nerfing the overused ones, so they actually do it, and make Puck good. Then nobody notices because they haven't leveled him up, because he was unused.

That's perhaps an inditement on how little they do to promote the buffs. Running a special store/vault would help grab people's attention, injecting them into the play rotation in some way as a required character would "force" players to see the results of their work. Dropping a forum post (if they remember) is less likely to get players to reevaluate a character that has already been relegated to the "only when required" category.

They absolutely should, but I'm not sure how much it would help. I just don't think those players are being honest about what they want. Many players prefer a game where only a few characters matter and the rest can be ignored.

If this was aimed at me then absolutely not. I am a champ everybody player but I just don't have the resources to ascend everybody being iso poor. I also only got my first max champed 4 right around the time ascension came out so I was in the hole from the beginning. I don't have any 3a5 either, nor any 1a5. I am saving up to champ Zemo!

My Puck is only lvl321 so with 49 covers to go just to max champ him I can't see this happening anytime soon as I will also need a dupe. Ascension is so time and resource draining and whilst I do have some 4a5 and am working on some more it is a slow moving process.

Not directed at you (probably?). A common argument here is "So what if a few characters are stronger than everyone else? Don't nerf them, just buff the weak ones. We want to use all the characters, but we can't because so many are bad."

Then they buff the weak characters and everybody ignores them and goes on using m'Thor or whoever, because they don't actually want buffs, they just don't want their overpowered stuff to be nerfed.

The guy who said Puck was bad initially wasn't you either, I went back and checked.

He was bad to begin with but I think he actually got buffed and became better? But as I have said, I am in no position to ascend right now and personally believe maxing out as many 4* as possible is my optimal way forward in terms of getting 100's of CP and 1000's of HP. Ascension is a bonus game at present but one I can now look at having got on top of all 5's.