New Character - Toni Ho (Rescue) 5*

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  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,518 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BlackBoltRocks said:
    .... there are the notable 4s like Gorr, Jim Hammond Torch, TAHulk

    Just to note TA Hulk's is a countdown, not a repeater.

    Other good 4* here would be:

    Purple Man (10 x repeaters)
    Sidewinder (like Ronan)

    Plus there are the 2* and 3* with ascension too. Blade, Hellcow, Iron Patriot all might work well

  • Chrynos1989
    Chrynos1989 Posts: 423 Mover and Shaker

    @BlackBoltRocks said:
    List of Repeater users:

    5*
    Abigail
    Agatha
    Arcade
    Carol
    Cyclops
    Gambit
    Hobgoblin
    Iceman
    Ironheart
    Jubilee
    Kingpin
    Loki (lol)
    Magik
    Peggy (lol)
    Ronan

    Not a bad selection. Apart from the better options like Agatha, Magik, Ronan, I totally forgot about Iceman. Plus there are the notable 4s like Gorr, Jim Hammond Torch

    Oh yes forgot Magik, perm damage is nice with all the supports that burst heal

    Also is your Black Bolt at 550 by now?

  • raber18
    raber18 Posts: 56 Match Maker

    @BlackBoltRocks said:
    List of Repeater users:

    5*
    Abigail
    Agatha
    Arcade
    Carol
    Cyclops
    Gambit
    Hobgoblin
    Iceman
    Ironheart
    Jubilee
    Kingpin
    Loki (lol)
    Magik
    Peggy (lol)
    Ronan

    Not a bad selection. Apart from the better options like Agatha, Magik, Ronan, I totally forgot about Iceman. Plus there are the notable 4s like Gorr, Jim Hammond Torch

    What about Scarlet Witch? Or am I completely blind and you mentioned her

  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,236 Chairperson of the Boards

    Ah yes thanks for all the catches! Totally forgot about Wanda, who is of course currently boosted #facepalm

    @Chrynos1989 haha not yet. Blackagar really needs a buff; it saddens me that right now I would rather have a lv550 5* Storm over Bolt.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 695 Critical Contributor

    She seems to be trying to do a lot... Which doesn't always work out. Will reserve judgement until using her though as usual.

    She may affect a certain niche, might even be good, but I don't see it mattering to the meta either way.

    My biased side is disappointed there's a tech TBolt being released and it's not Fixer/Techno, but it is what it is.

    Hopefully she's fun to play and the rest won't matter.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Blackstone said:
    She seems to be trying to do a lot... Which doesn't always work out. Will reserve judgement until using her though as usual.

    She may affect a certain niche, might even be good, but I don't see it mattering to the meta either way.

    My biased side is disappointed there's a tech TBolt being released and it's not Fixer/Techno, but it is what it is.

    Hopefully she's fun to play and the rest won't matter.

    I can't speak to her specifically because I haven't used her, and I have learned that using the new guys really really matters.

    In general, these complicated characters with a lot of passives and multi use powers end up doing one thing that's somewhere between very good and super awesome, and all the other stuff ends up completely irrelevant. The hard part is that sometimes that one thing isn't apparent in the wall of text, and it's very rarely the new, cool thing that we all focus on pre release.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 695 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Blackstone said:
    She seems to be trying to do a lot... Which doesn't always work out. Will reserve judgement until using her though as usual.

    She may affect a certain niche, might even be good, but I don't see it mattering to the meta either way.

    My biased side is disappointed there's a tech TBolt being released and it's not Fixer/Techno, but it is what it is.

    Hopefully she's fun to play and the rest won't matter.

    I can't speak to her specifically because I haven't used her, and I have learned that using the new guys really really matters.

    In general, these complicated characters with a lot of passives and multi use powers end up doing one thing that's somewhere between very good and super awesome, and all the other stuff ends up completely irrelevant. The hard part is that sometimes that one thing isn't apparent in the wall of text, and it's very rarely the new, cool thing that we all focus on pre release.

    That's completely valid.

    My "I don't see it mattering" is just a reference to already being in a place where quick, single turn wins has become the norm.

    So, even if Toni here does something "super awesome", does it matter?

    We have zero turn wins... One turn wins,.. gimmicks to get the win through outrageous match damage... Or repeatedly firing cheap abilities... Some take longer than others and for a character to matter (in my opinion) they either need to be very fast (faster than other options) or provide a genuinely fun mechanic that people want to choose over faster options.

    I'm in what seems to be a very small group where I care about who the character is as well, but that's neither relevant to the meta nor in terms of affecting gameplay In a meaningful way.

    She may do something amazing with the right partners, and we won't know until she's released, but will she matter? I guess that's just a matter of opinion for now. I think it'll matter if you don't have a full roster... Or you're a fan of the character... I just don't know that it is possible for her to matter to the meta of the game.

    Take the last few characters for example: they've been better than expected, impactful, do things that help guarantee a win, are exploitable.... But you could remove any one of them from the game completely and what would it change? One less option for a turn zero win... And the other options that are left are likely faster anyway.. so do they truly matter? Only if choice means anything and you don't mind losing out on placement because you're slower than others.

    I'm super stoked for Moonstone and hope to see other OG Thunderbolts... And I'm going to use them... But they aren't likely to matter to the meta.

    I do welcome the increasing number of choices though. I think that's sorely needed. And congrats to the Toni Ho fans and the rescue fans who wanted another version as a 5*. I'm sure she'll matter to someone. Just not likely to matter to the meta.

    All of this is just my opinion though and others are welcome to think differently and even to tell me how I might be wrong.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,627 Chairperson of the Boards

    I get where you are coming from. The most recent one to change the meta needle was 5Sam. And that is only through pairing with 4/5Juggs. The others? Winter Soldier? Juggerduck? Hobgoblin? Yeah, the may be fun every now and then but not earth shattering at all.

  • S0kun
    S0kun ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 875 Critical Contributor

    @WhiteBomber @SaltnPeppa
    Looks like her affiliations got mixed up with Winter Soldier's so we've updated it to:
    Avengers, Geniuses, Heroes, Stark Tech, Technologists

    Thanks for flagging!

  • SaltnPeppa
    SaltnPeppa Posts: 415 Mover and Shaker
    edited 28 May 2025, 21:04

    @S0kun said:
    @WhiteBomber @SaltnPeppa
    Looks like her affiliations got mixed up with Winter Soldier's so we've updated it to:
    Avengers, Geniuses, Heroes, Stark Tech, Technologists

    Thanks for flagging!

    Thanks! I assume she's part of the AAPI month, how about Mandarin? He's long overdue and since you guys have been adding lots of Ironman, you've been skipping his archnemesis.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards

    @LavaManLee said:
    I get where you are coming from. The most recent one to change the meta needle was 5Sam. And that is only through pairing with 4/5Juggs. The others? Winter Soldier? Juggerduck? Hobgoblin? Yeah, the may be fun every now and then but not earth shattering at all.

    The bar is just so ridiculously high right now that anybody new is going to have to do something completely insane to get over it. Like Winter Soldier is plenty good when paired with Thunderbolts. Hobgoblin creates a legit infinite combo that can kill enemies with a billion health without ever giving them a turn, and he's not good enough to see any play because the best guys do the same thing but are faster and better on defense.

    I'm not sure what folks want, though. If every new release was pushing the power level we'd probably hear complaints about cash grabs and being unable to compete without spending (and they'd have a point!). If they nerfed some of the current overpowered guys, the new releases would look a lot better, but nobody wants that either.

    So we're kind of stuck. For most players, new characters are just a collectible to enjoy looking at on your roster page, and this is the way they want it to be.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,102 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 28 May 2025, 21:26

    I am not making a final judgement but the repeater mechanic doesn't seem to offer any really cool thing to me right now. Maybe if I had more (any?) of the 4* repeater users ascended. The 5s are kinda meh.

    I do like Winter Soldier more than I thought I would because of the fact he boosts himself etc, and you can get an AOE off immediately with Arc Reactor....his purple is nice....supports help a lot.

    Rescue 2 suffers a bit in my initial take because there are no blue AP at start supports. I also wish she had different colors than 5IM and a number of other Technologists.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 692 Critical Contributor

    @S0kun said:
    @WhiteBomber @SaltnPeppa
    Looks like her affiliations got mixed up with Winter Soldier's so we've updated it to:
    Avengers, Geniuses, Heroes, Stark Tech, Technologists

    Thanks for flagging!

    Much appreciated! I love me some technolok fun. Feel free to keep the Thunderbolt affiliation on there though, Moonstone would want it that way.

  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,236 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 May 2025, 06:49

    Tested out her Blue. It procs the selected effect before placing the Repeater tile, which is nice. But an unfortified 3-turn tile will last approximately 1.28645 turns, so unless you can fortify it, it's essentially either decent damage or a 2-turn stun for 6 AP. Not the worst ability, but I'm struggling to see how she's better than Hobgoblin, especially since for the same 6 Blue AP he can do much more.

    The best natural 5* team with her is probably Toni/Apocalypse/Magik or Ronan, and a support that fortifies your tiles. Get 7 Yellow AP asap and have fun.

  • Wilger
    Wilger Posts: 106 Tile Toppler
    edited 29 May 2025, 06:44

    Red-Hulk feeds, just finished pullin to get his second to 370 for the dip

  • GJB1138
    GJB1138 Posts: 11 Just Dropped In

    Is it broken on Amazon?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards

    I like her with Agatha, because those repeaters clone themselves for additional activations. She's also fun with Ronan for similar reasons. She's great with Gorr, and also with Hobgoblin.

    I don't think there's a turn0 team or an infinite combo available with her, but her passive can put out a LOT of damage in the right team comp.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,627 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 May 2025, 19:32

    Thanks for the feedback @Tiger_Wong and @entrailbucket . It would be nice if there were some non-speed events where using 5Toni would be fun. As it is, I don't see why one would ever bring her, unless required, to PVP or PVE.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,645 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 May 2025, 21:10

    @LavaManLee said:
    Thanks for the feedback @Tiger_Wong and @entrailbucket . It would be nice if there were some non-speed events where using 5Toni would be fun. As it is, I don't see why one would ever bring her, unless required, to PVP or PVE.

    For me, I'll put a bunch of levels on her without trying and try her out when she's boosted (ie 650-672 range). It'll depend on who else is boosted with her, though. The passive is going to hit like a truck at 672, but it's single target and it won't go under Leapfrog anymore (so everyone will be invisible).

    In general I agree with you, and most players aren't going to be levelling her to that range on purpose/at all.

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