Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards

    3* Doctor Doom ascended to 4* is the only one I am aware of.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor

    @dramatist said:
    I am not sure this thread is the place to ask this; but… are there any characters that once they are ascended give any shard or cover rewards or do they all just give iso, cp, hp and tokens?

    I’m trying to figure out when to ascend characters in the future.

    ALL ascended chars pay out "nonfeeder" rewards ... with a few exceptions ....

    When a 4★ feeder is updated to feeding a new characters (or characters), then the champ rewards paid out by ascended 4★>5★ copies, for level 450 to 475, are changed for 1 weeks after the update, to retroactively pay out covers and shards for the 5★ character the 4★ character now feeds. (I'm sure this is perfectly clear ....)

    For whatever reason, probably a dev error that hasn't been fixed yet ... 3★ > 4★ Doom still feeds.

    As far as ascended characters "just" giving iso, cp, hp, and tokens ... is that a complaint?

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards

    If I’m mechanically indifferent to the character, I’ll just prioritize whoever has the most saved covers waiting to unlock usually.

  • dramatist
    dramatist Posts: 227 Tile Toppler

    @JoeHandle said:

    As far as ascended characters "just" giving iso, cp, hp, and tokens ... is that a complaint?

    Not a complaint. I’m just planning more now than when ascension started. At first I ascended many that were eligible. Now that I’ve ascended many usable 4*s I’ll probably max/max ascend the meh characters from now on.

    When I ascend a 2* to a 4* I’ll ascend as soon as the second 3* gets championed and not wait to max max.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor
    edited November 2024

    @dramatist said:

    @JoeHandle said:

    As far as ascended characters "just" giving iso, cp, hp, and tokens ... is that a complaint?

    Not a complaint. I’m just planning more now than when ascension started. At first I ascended many that were eligible. Now that I’ve ascended many usable 4*s I’ll probably max/max ascend the meh characters from now on.

    When I ascend a 2* to a 4* I’ll ascend as soon as the second 3* gets championed and not wait to max max.

    Cool ... I asked if that was a complaint because I often see posters overvaluing feeder rewards. The first time building a character ... or an entire tier ... feeding is very helpful. But the 2nd time building a character ... or 3rd .... 4th ... 5th ... I'll almost always want the tokens / CP more, for general roster development. Pareto principle (80%) or Sturgeon's Law (90%) of everything sucks, I'll take a chance at pulling something else.

    Max/max'ing 4★s is the way to go. It doesn't take any longer to get to 550 that way, and pays you more in the process. The tradeoff is shifting into 5★ performance later rather than sooner. In most cases ... big whoop. Yeah, there are meta exceptions, but that's just it, those are exceptions!

    Also yes, max+min those 1s and 2s through the lower tiers. You can be spending those covers for 4★ and 5★ rewards, why 'waste' them in exchange for 2★ and 3★ rewards instead? Get them to 4★ as quickly as possible.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    I can't find it now, but I was talking with someone about 2* Cap, and they had a guess at what the numbers for 3->5 Cap would look like (2* Cap is pretty bad -- high AP costs but relatively low damage).

    Well, I ascended 3* Cap just now, and uh...

    3* Cap (base 450, boosted to 569)

    2* Cap (base 550, boosted to 672)

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    Huh. What did they do here?

    3* Cap (same level as above)

    2* Cap

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    I can't find it now, but I was talking with someone about 2* Cap, and they had a guess at what the numbers for 3->5 Cap would look like (2* Cap is pretty bad -- high AP costs but relatively low damage).

    Well, I ascended 3* Cap just now, and uh...

    I have mentioned a times that 2Cap would be my first 2>5, he's been way ahead since ascension went live. Now only 32 covers away from max+max'ing him up to 5★ ... **** or not he was/is going to be my trophy :D

    And fitting ... I remember playing PvE all those years ago with OBW, 2Cap, and 3Falcon, before having 3Cap up to speed. 10.5yrs ago ...

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @JoeHandle said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    I can't find it now, but I was talking with someone about 2* Cap, and they had a guess at what the numbers for 3->5 Cap would look like (2* Cap is pretty bad -- high AP costs but relatively low damage).

    Well, I ascended 3* Cap just now, and uh...

    I have mentioned a times that 2Cap would be my first 2>5, he's been way ahead since ascension went live. Now only 32 covers away from max+max'ing him up to 5★ ... **** or not he was/is going to be my trophy :D

    And fitting ... I remember playing PvE all those years ago with OBW, 2Cap, and 3Falcon, before having 3Cap up to speed. 10.5yrs ago ...

    I don't think 3->5 Cap is actually any good either, but it's extremely weird that he SO completely trashes 2* Cap. Given scaling, the yellow numbers are probably equal, but why would they give the 3* that much more damage on red?

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:

    @JoeHandle said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    I can't find it now, but I was talking with someone about 2* Cap, and they had a guess at what the numbers for 3->5 Cap would look like (2* Cap is pretty bad -- high AP costs but relatively low damage).

    Well, I ascended 3* Cap just now, and uh...

    I have mentioned a times that 2Cap would be my first 2>5, he's been way ahead since ascension went live. Now only 32 covers away from max+max'ing him up to 5★ ... **** or not he was/is going to be my trophy :D

    And fitting ... I remember playing PvE all those years ago with OBW, 2Cap, and 3Falcon, before having 3Cap up to speed. 10.5yrs ago ...

    I don't think 3->5 Cap is actually any good either, but it's extremely weird that he SO completely trashes 2* Cap. Given scaling, the yellow numbers are probably equal, but why would they give the 3* that much more damage on red?

    ... because 2Cap red has always been a wet noodle?

    I have 2Cap and 3Cap both in the mid 350s right now, and 3Cap red dmg is nigh triple that of 2Cap ... 12.4K compared to 4.3K.

    I'm surprised that, as a 5★, 2Cap's red # is that high :D ... it looks like they did 'rebalance' that number upward ... for the 5★ version anyway, but didn't want to still didn't want to grant him parity with his 3★ self.

    It will be interesting to see how the other "rarity clones" play out ... 2Thor vs 3Thor, 3Torch vs 3Torch, 2Daken vs 3Daken ...

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,652 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think it's only fair that the 3☆ version of every character is better than the 2☆ version at comparable levels. The naturally higher character should be slightly better.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    I think it's only fair that the 3☆ version of every character is better than the 2☆ version at comparable levels. The naturally higher character should be slightly better.

    Well...let's check Daken.

    3* Daken at 450 (no boost)



  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    2* Daken at 550 (also no boost)



  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    Someone will have to help me with the scaling math because I always forget the number, but I think 450->550 is like 2.5?

    It looks to me like 3* Daken has slightly better (but slightly riskier) healing, creates about the same number in strikes but across 2 tiles vs 1, and does a bit less damage on his blue.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Scofie said:
    I think it's only fair that the 3☆ version of every character is better than the 2☆ version at comparable levels. The naturally higher character should be slightly better.

    Well...let's check Daken.

    I have the Thor bros both near 370 in the 4★ range. Their red and green power damage are roughly the same. Their yellows are quite different.

    2Thor yellow makes 4 green and does ~75% more dmg

    3Thor makes 9 green and delivers way less dmg.

    Creates a choice I guess.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @JoeHandle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Scofie said:
    I think it's only fair that the 3☆ version of every character is better than the 2☆ version at comparable levels. The naturally higher character should be slightly better.

    Well...let's check Daken.

    I have the Thor bros both near 370 in the 4★ range. Their red and green power damage are roughly the same. Their yellows are quite different.

    2Thor yellow makes 4 green and does ~75% more dmg

    3Thor makes 9 green and delivers way less dmg.

    Creates a choice I guess.

    2Thor is the same number of tiles at 5* (4 green tiles). I don't have 3thor to 5* yet to check him.

    They sure did make some interesting choices with these guys! I wonder how much of it was on purpose!

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor
    edited November 2024

    @entrailbucket said:

    @JoeHandle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Scofie said:
    I think it's only fair that the 3☆ version of every character is better than the 2☆ version at comparable levels. The naturally higher character should be slightly better.

    Well...let's check Daken.

    I have the Thor bros both near 370 in the 4★ range. Their red and green power damage are roughly the same. Their yellows are quite different.

    2Thor yellow makes 4 green and does ~75% more dmg

    3Thor makes 9 green and delivers way less dmg.

    Creates a choice I guess.

    2Thor is the same number of tiles at 5* (4 green tiles). I don't have 3thor to 5* yet to check him.

    They sure did make some interesting choices with these guys! I wonder how much of it was on purpose!

    2Thor makes fewer greens at 2★, 3★, and 4★ ... I hadn't noticed such a yawning damage gap opening up until just now!

    I don't have either near 5★ ascension. Both near 370, but no dupes waiting to grab the baton.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    And while we're at it, I just got this one today and can do a like to like comparison.

    1* Storm at 450:


  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    3* Storm at 450:



  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    ... someone make it make sense. Why???

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