Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,536 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    Ascended Goose was in the That's a Steel vault but sadly I didn't pull her.

    But yeah, a year. I tracked it in the first 8 weeks and calculated around 15 covers a week on average excluding the boosted odds for the character launch. I wrote in ThaRoadWarrior's experiment 2 thread I was anticipating 1 year at that rate and I'm on track.

    I went with max max the first go around. But will do max-min+1 for the rest because I want the 5* and don't have patience to max another 3* nor another 3a4

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 759 Critical Contributor

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    I finished Magik3 naturally about a month back or so, then they gave me the 4 star from the vault... now I have a 5 that is awesome and a 4 wasting a roster slot for who knows ho wany years until she starts getting covers. I can confirm this doesn't feel good.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I'm not max-maxing those, just freeing up roster slots as soon as possible.

    @entrailbucket what does Worthy Cap look like at 5* ?

    Mine is lvl502 unboosted.



  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 759 Critical Contributor

    If that red passive did damage and the yellow countdown were reduced to 1 he would probably be ok or at least fun to play.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    If that red passive did damage and the yellow countdown were reduced to 1 he would probably be ok or at least fun to play.

    When he's boosted the red passive is like 10k so it's a little less embarrassing. It's still not really enough to counter m'Thor though. Blue is actually a much better counter for those teams but it's about 1 or 2 AP more expensive than it should be. The yellow power is annoying but pretty easy to play around. The red active is just bad.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 759 Critical Contributor

    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

    Remember he got nerfed pretty hard, and I believe it was pre BCS -- I don't think he ever did any damage to speak of, but he basically had the Bishop passive when paired with Hawkeye.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he got revisited at some point. BCS seem to be undoing some of the more punitive Demiurge nerfs.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards

    Has anybody done 3* Jeff the Shark yet? His version of Don't Eat that (green) at 4* seems like it would be pretty wild with 5* numbers involved. 6 green: select a SAP type, jeff eats all these, converting them to basic, then spits them back up as friendly tiles 1 turn later with a bonus 100% (rounded up). tiles have an average of all consumed tiles

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Has anybody done 3* Jeff the Shark yet? His version of Don't Eat that (green) at 4* seems like it would be pretty wild with 5* numbers involved. 6 green: select a SAP type, jeff eats all these, converting them to basic, then spits them back up as friendly tiles 1 turn later with a bonus 100% (rounded up). tiles have an average of all consumed tiles

    Ask and ye shall something something
    (Lvl452 no boost)



  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    I finished Magik3 naturally about a month back or so, then they gave me the 4 star from the vault... now I have a 5 that is awesome and a 4 wasting a roster slot for who knows ho wany years until she starts getting covers. I can confirm this doesn't feel good.

    Aw, shucks, it doesn't have to be that way. The 'spare' isn't just a boat anchor. It is an asset! On rarity-locked nodes, you can still use that character (if it's the right rarity) when your ascended is locked out. And, when you do 550 a copy, you can start over a whole tier ahead, not have to start over at ground zero. Will save a chunk of time on your next ascension cycle.

    (Have to keep an eye on the positive .... as I have quite a few of these 'spares' ... had to get my mind right ... )

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 736 Critical Contributor
    edited November 2024

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

    Remember [1]he got nerfed pretty hard, and I believe** [2]it was pre BCS** -- [3]I don't think he ever did any damage to speak of, but he basically had the Bishop passive when paired with Hawkeye.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he got revisited at some point. [4]BCS seem[s] to be undoing some of the more punitive Demiurge nerfs.

    1. Yes, yes he did. :( Was one of the few chars I went all-in on during my first ~8yrs of play, becasue I was a Cap guy from way back, and it was an exciting design and great movie reference.

    2. Yes, yes, it was. Clipped him hard just a few months after his Sept 2019 release.

    3. Now this one got me wondering. How would Worthy Cap 1.0 (potentially) scale at 450 ... 550 ... 672? Watch this space, I have it laid out but need to get scaling ratios at home this evening. He had an all-too brief moment in the sun, and, at least in my context at the time ... 5yrs ago in 4* / low 5* land, Worthy Cap was laying waste, slagging fools like crazy. Paired with today's options for creating charged tiles and boosting dmg numbers ... would be nuts.

    4. Yes they are, slowly tuning up the dustiest, most neglected chars, which are often those gutted by the prev administration. Here's hoping for Hammer Cap!

    And here we go, taking the lvl 270 numbers from Worthy Cap 1.0, and applying typical scaling ratios up to lvls 370, 450, 550, and 672. Bear in mind this was before power creep started doubling all the numbers in the 5★ tier!

    Ofc, this makes a big assumption, that no other changes would have been applied to Wothy Cap 1.0's ascended version. For instance, Worthy Cap 1.0 blue dealt a blow for every charged tile, up to 6 tiles. Worthy Cap 2.0, and 2.0's ascended version, both do damage per tile, up to 9 tiles ... but less dmg per tile.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 759 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket How did she do on defense?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    @entrailbucket How did she do on defense?

    A handful of wins! Most likely from folks who didn't remember what she did.

    Roughly the same number of losses to m'Thor teams.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,080 Chairperson of the Boards

    Second event in a row of absolute Mantis dominance.

    Note that her passive fires when you match or destroy any enemy special tile, which is pretty fantastic with 5* Namor blowing up half the board on both his abilities. Against Rocket teams, I ran a +6 green support, blasted the board turn 0, and ended up with 3-5 Mantis CDs.

    She's really, really good. I think she belongs on the "guys you should ascend quickly" list.

    I might try something like Mantis/Prowler unboosted and see if that actually works -- I bet it does.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards

    Try one or the other of the carnage’s maybe too; and/or EB venom

  • dramatist
    dramatist Posts: 227 Tile Toppler

    I am not sure this thread is the place to ask this; but… are there any characters that once they are ascended give any shard or cover rewards or do they all just give iso, cp, hp and tokens?

    I’m trying to figure out when to ascend characters in the future.

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