Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

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  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    Usually they are on iron man team, it's understable.
    Gambit, iron man, cap america should be expected.
    SS and the hulk not.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Let's hope their buffs will be more on the Surfer side than on the Iron man side.

    We can further hope that if they are "not good enough" that there is a possibility they'll just get adjusted again until they take.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    Let's hope their buffs will be more on the Surfer side than on the Iron man side.

    We can further hope that if they are "not good enough" that there is a possibility they'll just get adjusted again until they take.

    Maybe after their initial pass, yeah.
    One would hope they'll iterate.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,057 Chairperson of the Boards

    That's sort of what I hoped would happen for years, because I always thought it made sense to do things that way. I never really gave up that hope even though over the years, it became clear that it was probably silly.

    Anyway the point I was making (badly) was that if you want high level characters your only options are unhoard a ton into latest, spend a ton into latest, or pull classics over a very long period of time. The 3rd route is one that very few people choose to take but it's viable if you're patient.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards

    it's defnitely how it is handled in things like fighting games, but their monetization model is much different than this, being based on people collecting little fragments of characters over very long periods of time.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    After all the time they are taking in order to rebalance the older characters just one time, I wouldn't expect they rebalance a rebalanced character who is not performing well.
    At least on the present century.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards

    well, Old Dev Team for sure i'd agree with that. New Dev Team has already un-nerfed a couple characters that had been adjusted so far down they were basically dead, namely XFW and Wolverine. So I wouldn't say it's totally off the table personally, but i'm also not like holding my breath for it.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    When they say they have the capacity for 3 rebalances per month I assume that's on top of daily business.
    So I assume once they're done with their first round through the whole roster, those 3 will go to the second round.
    Yes, extremely long term, if they include 4s, but... Possible.

  • Punter1
    Punter1 Posts: 734 Critical Contributor

    @Punter1 said:
    I copied you and rostered all the 1*s after seeing your comment from Dec 7. Also figured I would have them done easily! Of those I didn't have already, Storm, Hawkeye and Venom finished, the latter just today. Spidey at 8 covers and Yelena just 3.

    3* Monkey already at 4/4/2 thanks to fave shards and boosted pull %

    Well took almost 2 months, but now got a 5/5 Yelena, so have as complete a roster as I have ever had.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,057 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    it's defnitely how it is handled in things like fighting games, but their monetization model is much different than this, being based on people collecting little fragments of characters over very long periods of time.

    So, I feel like I've ranted this everywhere before, but their monetization model is (and has been, since day 1) roster slots. That's the reason token dilution hasn't been fixed -- more dilution means lower tier players buy more slots. That's why the new release cadence is what it is, and will always be what it is. Very few players buy tokens or covers but a very very large group spends small amounts of money on roster slots.

    That's why it always made sense to me to buff the old guys. If some characters are way worse than others, players won't be as incentivized to buy slots for them.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,781 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    When they say they have the capacity for 3 rebalances per month I assume that's on top of daily business.
    So I assume once they're done with their first round through the whole roster, those 3 will go to the second round.
    Yes, extremely long term, if they include 4s, but... Possible.

    Yeah the problem is that it's going to take a VERY long time. Some of that is due to the boost list only featuring a few characters a week so it takes months to cycle through the large number of 5* characters so it may take a while for players to even know whether a rebalance made a character viable when boosted or not.

    Look at Surfer who was rebalanced months ago. It was only recently that he was boosted and players found him viable when boosted (Entrailbucket reported he was indeed useful when boosted).

    My guess is they'll want to see play metrics and read feedback from players for at least a couple of boost cycles to get a feel for whether the rebalance worked (it's possible one boost cycle a rebalanced character doesn't have the right boosted teammates to shine).

    So a very long time likely means at least a year till they get addressed again.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,057 Chairperson of the Boards

    It really depends how much they power-creep the new guys. As long as they can keep new characters in a relatively consistent range, these buffs will be good for a long time. If they're unable to restrain themselves, they're gonna have to go back and hit Surfer etc again.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Hit 370 with Juggernaut, so I moved it over to Rocket. I’ll push on 4* Riri if I haven’t landed one out of LL by the time Rocket gets those 9 covers.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,057 Chairperson of the Boards

    I finished Hawkeye today!

    11 550s, 43 characters over lvl500.

    GG is at 544, he should be done soon.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Ended up with a 1/2/2 for Kang with 100 shards, still a cool 0/0/0 with 425 shards for my boy Wong.

    I'm still waiting on that last Riri, she is 3/5/4 with 187 shards, not quite enough to bank on a final feature bringing her home I don't think, but possibly.

    Hit Monkey has had some movement, he is 4/2/2 with 915 shards. Now that Wong is in Latest, I'm still trying to stay committed to pulling CP out of classic just to see how it goes. Abomination is champed, but only just at 270. I'm wondering if I need to walk my low-tier favorites around more chasing LTs to really make this work, or if I can truly rely on the grace of RNGeezus to provide them?

    Rocket is at 364, this feels like "high enough" to ensure a single swipe easy node every time so far, but I figure in for a penny, in for a pound on taking him to 370 from here to be sure. Also I flipped 3* Lord, so he is only partially covered, and I moved the Elemental Guns over to Juggernaut so now he tanks every color. It is very efficient on easy PVE nodes except that one that has Nightcrawler in a back position that you have to shuffle in order for him not to dodge.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,539 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think a 5* Rocket is a very good possibility for GotG3 as it is essentially being billed as his film so that 370 if you make it will be nice. They could also quite easily cheat and have a 5* Rocket/3* Groot or just a 3* Rocket. Will they also want him to be potentially meta? They could of course completely blindside us with a 5* Drax or whatever I guess.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Don't think 5* Drax is on the cards - making him a Ronan feeder, then shuffle a few months later doesn't make a lot of sense.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,539 Chairperson of the Boards

    We have 5* SL, Gamora and Adam already. It looks a real possibility.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Well, I'll take the 6 covers from my 370 in that case.
    Or the 8 from Rocket.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,533 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Ended up with a 1/2/2 for Kang with 100 shards, still a cool 0/0/0 with 425 shards for my boy Wong.

    I'm still waiting on that last Riri, she is 3/5/4 with 187 shards, not quite enough to bank on a final feature bringing her home I don't think, but possibly.

    Hit Monkey has had some movement, he is 4/2/2 with 915 shards. Now that Wong is in Latest, I'm still trying to stay committed to pulling CP out of classic just to see how it goes. Abomination is champed, but only just at 270. I'm wondering if I need to walk my low-tier favorites around more chasing LTs to really make this work, or if I can truly rely on the grace of RNGeezus to provide them?

    Rocket is at 364, this feels like "high enough" to ensure a single swipe easy node every time so far, but I figure in for a penny, in for a pound on taking him to 370 from here to be sure. Also I flipped 3* Lord, so he is only partially covered, and I moved the Elemental Guns over to Juggernaut so now he tanks every color. It is very efficient on easy PVE nodes except that one that has Nightcrawler in a back position that you have to shuffle in order for him not to dodge.

    My new strategy for the 4* favourite is the same as my old it seems: target the feeder. Since Wong is now my only unchamped 5*, I moved my 4* target to Abomination as soon as I could. He's up to 282 so far, and Wong at 4/3/1 with my LL pulls.

    I can keep doing this until the 5* after Kang as I had max champer Thing so Kang is at 6 covers already and I don't have to worry about him

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