Upcoming 5-Star (11/17 release): No 3-Star Version

@GrimSkald said:
Yes, in general I think if you release a 3* with every 5*, the tier is going to get pretty bloated which will slow down new players. This doesn't really affect me, but adding hurdles to new players isn't the best idea in general.
Thanks for the advance heads-up! More communication is an awesome thing.

I'm pretty sure the entire point is to slow down new players. "Having More Feeders" doesn't help speed up progression since the primary limiting factor of a new player is HP starvation, not feeder covers.

Just anecdotally, my good friend who I got into the game about 5 months ago just recently quit once he realized there will be more 3's regularly now. He was very excited to have about 3/4 of 3-stars rostered and "be able to get into 4-star land soon" but when he realized they're adding more 3's he lost all interest because he doesn't have the time commitment to play the game every day, and now says he'll "never get out of 3-star land."

I was sad for him but it didn't affect me since I have all 3's and 4's already rostered so i'm way ahead of the curve.

I'm a 5* player and I love those new 3s too.
And I've posted a recorded battle with 3 arcade.
As a 5* player I have pleeenty of options to play meta but I absolutely loved that 3* character and playing him now I know that I will champ him.
Fun to play, strategic powers.
If I was on 3* or 4* tier I'd enjoy him a lot.

Have you played with a champed arcade 5* for to opine that way?

The only difference between 3* and 5* are fortified repeaters and better numbers. Traps are the same, if the player matches them, +1AP, if the enemy matches -1AP.
Fortified repeaters are great for him. So it isn't as bad. The 5* version can do a great third wheel role.
The 3* version is a gift for 3* and 4* players. They released them as they are so there isn't a 4* version( who to continue the progression would do double the damage as the 3* and less than half the 5*.)

@DAZ0273 said:

@HoundofShadow said:
It's not more rewards. Some simple math will show that.

Before September, there were 47 3*. For really veteran players, 3* farm turns about twice a year. We have 47 * 113 covers * 2 = 10, 622 3* covers in a year.

Right now, we have 49 3*. The number of times 3* farm turn is 10,622 / (49*113) = 1.92 times a year.

As you can see, your 3* farm turns slower the more 3* you have. Also, the closer your characters are to max champed, the better your rewards are.

The dev needs to insert additional 11074 - 10622 = 452 covers a year for it to be termed more rewards.

That assumes that you farm all 3* which I don't think is necessarily the case for all. I don't have a farm for all 49, maybe half that. So switching out which 3* I am building at any given moment doesn't necessarily impact to the degree above but every 3* added does mean I have less chance to get whatever 3* I am chasing in the farms I do have running.

I agree it is not more rewards overall though but it is potentially more targeted rewards if it opens up lines of feeders to 4* who never had 3* feeders in the past and they then lead to new 5* fed. But that is a different thing to what I think is being suggested?

Wait, if you're running farms why wouldn't you be farming all 3s? What about when you get a cover for a max champed 3? Isn't it kind of a waste to just trash it for ISO?

I'm not sure where I stand on the influx of new 3*s debate but this bit confused me haha.

Edit: I didn't know why that one line is in italics, I didn't format it. Strange.

I'm not entirely anti-new-3, but I'd much rather when they happen they actually add something to the game... from what I can tell Emma and Arcade have both done that, so that's really cool! That said, we don't NEED a 3 for every 5 release and I think you're doing better to make them when you can make them good. There's no-one actually very angry about the release schedule that plays the game, at worst we want to know when things are happening so we can be ready. That's that whole side of things lol.

Yeah but this thing wasn't there before.
It has been just this week.

A new 3* that rewards a Reptil cover, as an example, doesn't help early players because they are not going to actively pursue champing him regardless of where his feeder line goes. For newer players it will be heavily reliant on how important/effective the 4* earned is and how it helps them progress. Otherwise that is just covers that will end up sold for Iso rather than a precious roster slot and an abandoned 4* with some shards.

@NemoAbernnigan said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@HoundofShadow said:
It's not more rewards. Some simple math will show that.

Before September, there were 47 3*. For really veteran players, 3* farm turns about twice a year. We have 47 * 113 covers * 2 = 10, 622 3* covers in a year.

Right now, we have 49 3*. The number of times 3* farm turn is 10,622 / (49*113) = 1.92 times a year.

As you can see, your 3* farm turns slower the more 3* you have. Also, the closer your characters are to max champed, the better your rewards are.

The dev needs to insert additional 11074 - 10622 = 452 covers a year for it to be termed more rewards.

That assumes that you farm all 3* which I don't think is necessarily the case for all. I don't have a farm for all 49, maybe half that. So switching out which 3* I am building at any given moment doesn't necessarily impact to the degree above but every 3* added does mean I have less chance to get whatever 3* I am chasing in the farms I do have running.

I agree it is not more rewards overall though but it is potentially more targeted rewards if it opens up lines of feeders to 4* who never had 3* feeders in the past and they then lead to new 5* fed. But that is a different thing to what I think is being suggested?

Wait, if you're running farms why wouldn't you be farming all 3s? What about when you get a cover for a max champed 3? Isn't it kind of a waste to just trash it for ISO?

I'm not sure where I stand on the influx of new 3*s debate but this bit confused me haha.

Edit: I didn't know why that one line is in italics, I didn't format it. Strange.

I was trying to stay below 300 slots. When I get there maybe my thinking will change. Max champed 3 is a 50/50 - do I need to keep that Max champ? Sometimes I will sell and restart. But I have enough dupe farms going to be able to be OK for now.

@DAZ0273 said:
A new 3* that rewards a Reptil cover, as an example, doesn't help early players because they are not going to actively pursue champing him regardless of where his feeder line goes. For newer players it will be heavily reliant on how important/effective the 4* earned is and how it helps them progress. Otherwise that is just covers that will end up sold for Iso rather than a precious roster slot and an abandoned 4* with some shards.

@NemoAbernnigan said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@HoundofShadow said:
It's not more rewards. Some simple math will show that.

Before September, there were 47 3*. For really veteran players, 3* farm turns about twice a year. We have 47 * 113 covers * 2 = 10, 622 3* covers in a year.

Right now, we have 49 3*. The number of times 3* farm turn is 10,622 / (49*113) = 1.92 times a year.

As you can see, your 3* farm turns slower the more 3* you have. Also, the closer your characters are to max champed, the better your rewards are.

The dev needs to insert additional 11074 - 10622 = 452 covers a year for it to be termed more rewards.

That assumes that you farm all 3* which I don't think is necessarily the case for all. I don't have a farm for all 49, maybe half that. So switching out which 3* I am building at any given moment doesn't necessarily impact to the degree above but every 3* added does mean I have less chance to get whatever 3* I am chasing in the farms I do have running.

I agree it is not more rewards overall though but it is potentially more targeted rewards if it opens up lines of feeders to 4* who never had 3* feeders in the past and they then lead to new 5* fed. But that is a different thing to what I think is being suggested?

Wait, if you're running farms why wouldn't you be farming all 3s? What about when you get a cover for a max champed 3? Isn't it kind of a waste to just trash it for ISO?

I'm not sure where I stand on the influx of new 3*s debate but this bit confused me haha.

Edit: I didn't know why that one line is in italics, I didn't format it. Strange.

I was trying to stay below 300 slots. When I get there maybe my thinking will change. Max champed 3 is a 50/50 - do I need to keep that Max champ? Sometimes I will sell and restart. But I have enough dupe farms going to be able to be OK for now.

I've got everyone but Havok and 5* Arcade rostered and I'm still only at like 272 roster slots or so, with a forced roster of 1* Juggernaut ready to drop whenever needed. I did sell off some of my farm leading up to and during the anniversary to make room for new characters and keep HP for vaults as high as I could, but prior to that I was waiting til my dupe was champed to sell the maxed version and still had plenty of room before hitting 300. I don't level the whole farm fast enough for it to really become an issue, but I'm only in 4* land, still got like half of them unchamped. Regardless though, as you pointed out, it's rarely necessary to have more than one cover for a 3* to fulfill its purpose once you move beyond 3* land, so I'd rather sell off the maxed version and reroster a single cover in the farm than just let that crop whither on the vine. But yeah, definitely don't need to keep a full stock off maxed 3*s for your farm to run effectively.

I have Reptil favorited! He feeds Havok, the last 5* I haven't rostered aside from 5* Arcade.