New Character - Baron Zemo (Helmut Zemo) 5*

@entrailbucket said:
Basically, if somebody wants to have a debate about where the line should be drawn between players who are affected by a bug and players exploiting it, that's a valid question that's really difficult to figure out, and I'm glad I'm not the one responsible for it.

Is it 10 times? 100? 100,000? I have no idea. I assume the devs can track it and will look at the data. If they decide to punish players who did it a handful of times (they won't), then obviously that's wrong and I'd say it.

But if your argument is that it's hard to draw the line, so there shouldn't be a line at all, then I think that's pretty ridiculous.

What I am trying to argue, and I wished you had focused on my first two examples instead of the last, that when a bug happens in an environment of almost zero communication from the developers, then it’s sometimes incredibly difficult to understand if something is a bug or a feature.

Restarting the game for extra tokens: egregious exploit if you do it 100s of times.

Farming for covers by fighting 1000s of seed teams in PvP: perfectly fine.

We know this because the devs have commented on both. But there have been and are other bugs in the game right now (both reported and not reported) that we have no clue about whether they are considered exploits or not.

(My third example was meant to clarify this: there have been reports weeks ago of quests resetting when you switch devices. No comments from the Devs about this.)

My general point is, sometimes it’s hard to know without clear communication. And those types of grey area case are happening more right now than the more obvious exploits from the past.

Hang on, how did I get sucked into this junk again?

At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

@will7612 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

I think it's possible that he's good, but I really don't know. His problem is that his black power is really bad for your team until it's 5 covers, so it's hard to know if he's any good till you get him championed.

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@will7612 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

I think it's possible that he's good, but I really don't know. His problem is that his black power is really bad for your team until it's 5 covers, so it's hard to know if he's any good till you get him championed.

With his store opened today players with CP / HP can definitely get him baby champed so we should get a report on how good he is soon. Maybe WhiteBomber will be one such player and can post some teams / videos.

KGB

Eeeey, and right as I was considering stopping uploads due to lack of response/feedback.

Unfortunately it won't be until he rotates in to LL for me. I use all of my CP on classics to evenly build my roster... and he wasn't worth 10 bucks for a single cover let alone $100+. I am excited to lab him further though, I love characters that reduce cost (Shuri, Heim etc.) because I don't think any other characters were designed with that reduction in mind (and I love ability spam).

That said, I think you will be unlikely to find a reason to care about him defensively, excluding pick 3 with the immortals, and even then, there are surely better options. However! He is right next to Frankie, and you absolutely want Frankie leveled.

@JoeHandle said:

@will7612 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

In the end, all chars have equal value.

He may not be one to prioritize, but no char is a waste of time.

Indeed it seems like a slightly ridiculous question. You need to roster everyone - especially new characters- to be as competitive as possible. If that’s your goal. Not having essentials can make hitting progression harder as well, depending on your level of play.

Roster everyone.

Ok so that depends on what you mean by leveling. Do you mean applying iso? Trying to get to 13 covers? Adding levels after champing?

The answer to each of these depends on your reward earn rate for iso and pulls. In my opinion, all new characters are worth using iso on so that you can add covers and levels, they can help you in their essential nodes, etc. They are usually more helpful than the equivalently-good classic characters you won't get many covers for. Maybe you are very short on iso; fair enough, you could leave him mostly under leveled if necessary.

If you can't get every new 5* character to 13 covers, then you might consider skipping him a bit or at least not favoriting him, but I wouldn't stop pulling while Nova is in the store.

I don't have him covered and so I can't fully assess his overall utility but it seems like if you decide to not use pulls, or use fewer pulls, to not add more levels to him, you won't miss much. But still I would say to keep adding levels to Nova as best you can, which probably means you will get a decent amount of Zemo covers and things.

Best of luck.

Thanks a lot @bluewolf and @entrailbucket ; hadn't considered full covers for Nova; I also consider getting just the essential for Zemo; most of my 5 * are not upgraded, just the essential for my game