New Character - Baron Zemo (Helmut Zemo) 5*

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  • Zarqa
    Zarqa Posts: 514 Critical Contributor
    edited 29 August 2025 18:24

    @entrailbucket said:
    Basically, if somebody wants to have a debate about where the line should be drawn between players who are affected by a bug and players exploiting it, that's a valid question that's really difficult to figure out, and I'm glad I'm not the one responsible for it.

    Is it 10 times? 100? 100,000? I have no idea. I assume the devs can track it and will look at the data. If they decide to punish players who did it a handful of times (they won't), then obviously that's wrong and I'd say it.

    But if your argument is that it's hard to draw the line, so there shouldn't be a line at all, then I think that's pretty ridiculous.

    What I am trying to argue, and I wished you had focused on my first two examples instead of the last, that when a bug happens in an environment of almost zero communication from the developers, then it’s sometimes incredibly difficult to understand if something is a bug or a feature.

    Restarting the game for extra tokens: egregious exploit if you do it 100s of times.

    Farming for covers by fighting 1000s of seed teams in PvP: perfectly fine.

    We know this because the devs have commented on both. But there have been and are other bugs in the game right now (both reported and not reported) that we have no clue about whether they are considered exploits or not.

    (My third example was meant to clarify this: there have been reports weeks ago of quests resetting when you switch devices. No comments from the Devs about this.)

    My general point is, sometimes it’s hard to know without clear communication. And those types of grey area case are happening more right now than the more obvious exploits from the past.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,098 Chairperson of the Boards

    I really don't think it's difficult at all, and saying it is is just purposely muddying the waters. One of those things is "playing the game" and one of them is obviously not.

    Bearing in mind that I am only talking about players purposely doing these things thousands or tens of thousands of times: playing thousands of seed teams is ok, because farming has always been a thing. Sure, seeds are moderately easier to farm than normal 5-pointers, but it's not that much different. Restarting the game thousands of times in a row is not ok, because nobody does that normally.

    When that group of players was rerolling tokens to get guaranteed 5*, they made the same argument ("how could we possibly have known this was wrong?!?") and it landed with about the same impact.

    Both situations aren't helped by the fact that these players are/were bragging about how smart they are all over various game chats. It makes it difficult for me to believe something is an honest mistake when you're posting 550d characters and saying "haha the devs are so dumb look what I got!"

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,098 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 August 2025 21:29

    Hang on, how did I get sucked into this junk again?

    At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 144 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

    At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

    Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
    But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,098 Chairperson of the Boards

    @will7612 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

    At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

    Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
    But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

    I think it's possible that he's good, but I really don't know. His problem is that his black power is really bad for your team until it's 5 covers, so it's hard to know if he's any good till you get him championed.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,791 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @will7612 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hang on, hw did I get sucked into this junk again?

    At least I've avoided any metaphors this time. I give up, you guys win, this is not worth talking about any more.

    Is Zemo even worth an spot????, I have him as 1/1/1, just for the collection
    But, getting it @550 seems a waste of time/resources

    I think it's possible that he's good, but I really don't know. His problem is that his black power is really bad for your team until it's 5 covers, so it's hard to know if he's any good till you get him championed.

    With his store opened today players with CP / HP can definitely get him baby champed so we should get a report on how good he is soon. Maybe WhiteBomber will be one such player and can post some teams / videos.

    KGB

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