Disabled PVP Supports

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S0kun
S0kun ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 963 Critical Contributor
edited 30 June 2025, 17:26 in MPQ General Discussion

The following supports have been disabled in all PVP events and will be reintroduced in the future once we've had a chance to rebalance them.

  1. Leapfrog (Amphibious Transport)
  2. FantastiCar (Four Seater)
  3. Eros's Arrow (Lovestruck)
  4. Thanos-Copter (Villainous Vehicle)

Additionally, PVP Lightning Rounds should have ALL SUPPORTS disabled. The recent enabling of supports in Unity was unintended and we do not have future plans to enable them in Lighting Rounds in the future.

Quick update:
For the events that are already made like Elsa's Ray Gun Madness, the supports are still in there, but all PVP events in the near future should have them disabled. I believe Quicksilver & Spider Rex will have them enabled since I see their event info in my tracker.

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,910 Chairperson of the Boards

    Aw man, I already wrote all that stuff on that other post about this.

    I guess this is confirmation though!

  • kuntilanak
    kuntilanak Posts: 164 Tile Toppler

    I for one would like to have supports disabled in ALL PVP events, even though i have some of the better ones. It is extremely annoying having those supports giving free ap at start.

  • TheXMan
    TheXMan Posts: 235 Tile Toppler

    Don't they have enough issues going on with the Unity upgrade? Why mess with this right now?

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 747 Critical Contributor

    I am 100% asking for a rebalance.

    There are plenty of us who invested a lot of time and resources in to those supports, and had I known you were just going to take away the place they are most valuable, I would have invested in others.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,488 Chairperson of the Boards

    Damn that's crazy. I have them all at r5.
    So I wasted time and resources going after them.
    R5'ing 4 supports takes quite a while...what a shame.
    I'm sure it'd just be easier to remove supports from PvP.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,656 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 28 June 2025, 03:09

    So when does this go into effect for all pvp? Leapfrog is still currently usable in mystique pvp and I sure can't wait to no longer have to use or face it.

  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 17 Just Dropped In

    Disabling these for PvP makes no sense tho. It's not like they're used for PvE. It would just be better to do away with supports in PvP all together.

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 480 Mover and Shaker

    There are plenty of ways they can be balanced, even if it's specifically for pvp

    Leapfrog - Just needs to make the invis a set amount of turns rather than a CD tile that can be crammed into a corner.

    Eros Arrow - Needs to be put out at the START of that character's turn, so that if the enemy team gets rid of it it's gone.

    Fantasticar - I think the 4 turn limit is fine honestly, and thematic! But you can also limit it and copter to just 1 additional match a turn or something. Maybe 2 at r5?

    Thanoscopter - Same as above. I rarely run into a problem playing against the copter, but again, if people are against it heavily, just limit the extra rotations to 1~3 depending on rank.

  • revskip
    revskip Posts: 1,117 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 28 June 2025, 03:52

    I'm fine with rebalancing. The goal should be constant rebalancing of characters and supports through both nerfs and buffs. Ideally incremental so that they can then be adjusted again if the change isn't big enough without swinging wildly too far in the other direction. I do wonder why they opted to make this particular change at the same time as the MASSIVELY bugged launch of their new engine. Introducing new changes while trying to fix all of the things they broke with the launch seems like terrible timing. Fix things first so that the rollout for IOS, Android and Amazon aren't the massive dumpster fire that Steam has been and then circle back for the changes to supports. That way new bad interactions aren't being piled on to the things that Unity broke.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,685 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 28 June 2025, 04:03

    All Leapfrog needs is removing the invisible component at R3. Just have it reduce the big damage hit by a reasonable amount and do the burst heal.

    I never really use the others so I can't comment on those.

    As others have noted many of us have invested a lot into getting these to R5 (I have 2 of them there and another at R4 that will be R5 after the next boss event) so we definitely want these to come back to PvP after a rebalance.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,910 Chairperson of the Boards

    @TheXMan said:
    Don't they have enough issues going on with the Unity upgrade? Why mess with this right now?

    I bet this was an accident. I think they were planning to do it eventually and it got rolled out early with some of the engine chaos.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,550 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 28 June 2025, 13:24

    Argh. Just got my thanos copter up to 4* the hard way and was working on 5. Guess I’ll pivot to something else.

  • Nibby
    Nibby Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    Not cool. Do you have any idea how long it took most of us to bring these supports up to Level 5? We're talking years here.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,392 Chairperson of the Boards

    Just finished getting Eros to R5 and already had Leapfrog and Fantasticar there already so great. Maybe if we had some new Supports to chase this might feel better than what will be a gigantic nerf. Despite the suggestions I don’t really see any useful way of rebalancing Frog that doesn’t mess with the point of it.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,627 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm ok with this, and I've built them all up to 5. Same as Sidewinder was, they make the game less fun to play but not massively and I'd never skip a team because of a support.

    Lots of people complained about them and so it's a reasonable step to take.

    Just an idea - rather than change the Support, I'd consider limiting the affiliations further. This will be a nerf of sorts of course but could also serve as a bit of a rebalance to traditionally weaker characters.

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