New Character - Moonstone (Meteorite) 4*

Blackstone

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

Agreed.

How do you mute someone? I've seen people mention it but I've never tried to do it. I do see where I need to avoid responding any further though.

Daniel2121

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

No problem, I just found the ignore button in his profile. I won't be reading him anymore so from my side at least this is over.

Moving on. I would like to know if there is any other Moonstone winfinite that can start from the first turn? Anyone knows?

entrailbucket

@Daniel2121 said:

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

No problem, I just found the ignore button in his profile. I won't be reading him anymore so from my side at least this is over.

Moving on. I would like to know if there is any other Moonstone winfinite that can start from the first turn? Anyone knows?

Sanctum Sanctorum gives you 6 yellow AP at the start of the fight. It can only go on a hero, but it gives you tons more flexibility in team building than depending on Krakoa -- which is very restrictive. Vintage Shield can go on anybody but it's only 3AP, so you'd need to boost.

I think folks go for Krakoa first because it can give all colors with the right setup, and that's definitely the way to go. But once you get the 6ap supports, you're almost always better off with them.

KGB

@entrailbucket said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

No problem, I just found the ignore button in his profile. I won't be reading him anymore so from my side at least this is over.

Moving on. I would like to know if there is any other Moonstone winfinite that can start from the first turn? Anyone knows?

Sanctum Sanctorum gives you 6 yellow AP at the start of the fight. It can only go on a hero, but it gives you tons more flexibility in team building than depending on Krakoa -- which is very restrictive. Vintage Shield can go on anybody but it's only 3AP, so you'd need to boost.

I think folks go for Krakoa first because it can give all colors with the right setup, and that's definitely the way to go. But once you get the 6ap supports, you're almost always better off with them.

Peni Parker support gives 5 starting Yellow AP at Rank 3. Like Sanctum Sanctorum it also can only go on a hero. So if you really want to start with Yellow you can equip this, Vintage Shield and Sanctum Sanctorum for a LOT of starting Yellow (assuming 2 heroes with Moonstone).

KGB

entrailbucket

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

No problem, I just found the ignore button in his profile. I won't be reading him anymore so from my side at least this is over.

Moving on. I would like to know if there is any other Moonstone winfinite that can start from the first turn? Anyone knows?

Sanctum Sanctorum gives you 6 yellow AP at the start of the fight. It can only go on a hero, but it gives you tons more flexibility in team building than depending on Krakoa -- which is very restrictive. Vintage Shield can go on anybody but it's only 3AP, so you'd need to boost.

I think folks go for Krakoa first because it can give all colors with the right setup, and that's definitely the way to go. But once you get the 6ap supports, you're almost always better off with them.

Peni Parker support gives 5 starting Yellow AP at Rank 3. Like Sanctum Sanctorum it also can only go on a hero. So if you really want to start with Yellow you can equip this, Vintage Shield and Sanctum Sanctorum for a LOT of starting Yellow (assuming 2 heroes with Moonstone).

KGB

I knew there was another one, thanks!

Again, I know levelling up supports is really slow, so it makes sense to target Krakoa first because it works for all the colors. But once you get the 6ap ones it opens up team composition quite a bit.

Daniel2121

Thank you for the support suggestions, guys. I found another one: Kamar-Taj. Though it's even more eccentric of an affiliation, it cuts down the first use of a yellow power to only 3 AP.

Daredevil217

People prefer Krakoa in most situations because it is guaranteed AP versus a percentage to proc. Especially in games where a single turn can wreck you and opening salvos mean so much (which is why Chasm remains strong after his nerf).

revskip

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daniel2121 said:

@Scofie said:
OK, I'm going to call an end to the disagreement and ask that we all move on.

It's fine to have different opinions and if someone gets something wrong it's fine to correct them but try to do so kindly - let's not get personal.

No problem, I just found the ignore button in his profile. I won't be reading him anymore so from my side at least this is over.

Moving on. I would like to know if there is any other Moonstone winfinite that can start from the first turn? Anyone knows?

Sanctum Sanctorum gives you 6 yellow AP at the start of the fight. It can only go on a hero, but it gives you tons more flexibility in team building than depending on Krakoa -- which is very restrictive. Vintage Shield can go on anybody but it's only 3AP, so you'd need to boost.

I think folks go for Krakoa first because it can give all colors with the right setup, and that's definitely the way to go. But once you get the 6ap supports, you're almost always better off with them.

Peni Parker support gives 5 starting Yellow AP at Rank 3. Like Sanctum Sanctorum it also can only go on a hero. So if you really want to start with Yellow you can equip this, Vintage Shield and Sanctum Sanctorum for a LOT of starting Yellow (assuming 2 heroes with Moonstone).

KGB

I knew there was another one, thanks!

Again, I know levelling up supports is really slow, so it makes sense to target Krakoa first because it works for all the colors. But once you get the 6ap ones it opens up team composition quite a bit.

Korg also gives yellow AP but I believe that one caps out at 3AP.

entrailbucket

@Daredevil217 said:
People prefer Krakoa in most situations because it is guaranteed AP versus a percentage to proc. Especially in games where a single turn can wreck you and opening salvos mean so much (which is why Chasm remains strong after his nerf).

It's 80% on the 6ap ones. I could see it mattering a ton for PvE where the timings are nuts and a few seconds is a big deal (plus Aunt May needs red, and the 6ap red one is problematic) but 100% to 80% isn't that big a deal.

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
People prefer Krakoa in most situations because it is guaranteed AP versus a percentage to proc. Especially in games where a single turn can wreck you and opening salvos mean so much (which is why Chasm remains strong after his nerf).

It's 80% on the 6ap ones. I could see it mattering a ton for PvE where the timings are nuts and a few seconds is a big deal (plus Aunt May needs red, and the 6ap red one is problematic) but 100% to 80% isn't that big a deal.

With the way people hate losing, maybe it's a big deal to them.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
People prefer Krakoa in most situations because it is guaranteed AP versus a percentage to proc. Especially in games where a single turn can wreck you and opening salvos mean so much (which is why Chasm remains strong after his nerf).

It's 80% on the 6ap ones. I could see it mattering a ton for PvE where the timings are nuts and a few seconds is a big deal (plus Aunt May needs red, and the 6ap red one is problematic) but 100% to 80% isn't that big a deal.

With the way people hate losing, maybe it's a big deal to them.

I always forget how much people hate RNG (yet somehow still "enjoy" playing RNG: The Game).

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Daredevil217 said:
People prefer Krakoa in most situations because it is guaranteed AP versus a percentage to proc. Especially in games where a single turn can wreck you and opening salvos mean so much (which is why Chasm remains strong after his nerf).

It's 80% on the 6ap ones. I could see it mattering a ton for PvE where the timings are nuts and a few seconds is a big deal (plus Aunt May needs red, and the 6ap red one is problematic) but 100% to 80% isn't that big a deal.

With the way people hate losing, maybe it's a big deal to them.

I always forget how much people hate RNG (yet somehow still "enjoy" playing RNG: The Game).

"I hit the same person 25x, but wiped once. When they saw that, they laughed at my misfortune and declared victory, despite the fact that we've traded the same ~90 points for the last hour."

ThisisClemFandango

Makes me smile that someone could use so much energy to crush me when I don't even pay attention to who hits me or the points loss

Borstock

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Makes me smile that someone could use so much energy to crush me when I don't even pay attention to who hits me or the points loss

The only thing that sustains me is taking points off people I don't know and have no interaction with whatsoever.

Blackstone

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Makes me smile that someone could use so much energy to crush me when I don't even pay attention to who hits me or the points loss

Agreed.

I don't know that I've ever intentionally looked at the names of people in pvp. I just look at the team and make a decision.

The idea that there's someone out there actively seeking me out in blood feud ... That I'm totally oblivious to ... It's worth a smile or two.

entrailbucket

@Blackstone said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Makes me smile that someone could use so much energy to crush me when I don't even pay attention to who hits me or the points loss

Agreed.

I don't know that I've ever intentionally looked at the names of people in pvp. I just look at the team and make a decision.

The idea that there's someone out there actively seeking me out in blood feud ... That I'm totally oblivious to ... It's worth a smile or two.

It's unlikely. Nobody really plays like that now. The big rooms claim to "enforce" against "snipers" but nobody is willing to actually do that work.

Many years ago my alliance had a group of insane people with 24hr coverage who really could keep specific people from scoring in our slice. Those people would absolutely have known they were being targeted. The response to "I don't check names" was always "you do now."

These days? Those players are all gone. I remember names and I'll certainly go out of my way to attack certain players, but I doubt they even notice. I just don't play that much anymore.

Borstock

I target sometimes. Once I reach a certain point threshold, I get hit a lot. I can't hit them all back, so I usually pick one well-known person and just target them. If there is a room ganging up on me, I move those losses to one of theirs. It's the only thing remotely resembling a defense when getting hit by 4 people at once. It's never personal.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@Blackstone said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Makes me smile that someone could use so much energy to crush me when I don't even pay attention to who hits me or the points loss

Agreed.

I don't know that I've ever intentionally looked at the names of people in pvp. I just look at the team and make a decision.

The idea that there's someone out there actively seeking me out in blood feud ... That I'm totally oblivious to ... It's worth a smile or two.

It's unlikely. Nobody really plays like that now. The big rooms claim to "enforce" against "snipers" but nobody is willing to actually do that work.

Many years ago my alliance had a group of insane people with 24hr coverage who really could keep specific people from scoring in our slice. Those people would absolutely have known they were being targeted. The response to "I don't check names" was always "you do now."

These days? Those players are all gone. I remember names and I'll certainly go out of my way to attack certain players, but I doubt they even notice. I just don't play that much anymore.

Maybe they are all serving jail time for being psychopaths?

Scofie

I actively avoid hitting forum users if their IGN is the same as the forum name, just in case they think it's personal. If it's a retal, though, they're fair game!

DAZ0273

Having spent many years watching my children get involved in pointless online spats with random people they will never meet again in games like Fortnite and Call of Duty, I am convinced that there is no greater waste of time in getting mad over behaviour of people on the internet when it comes gaming. You see all those videos on YouTube about people having a wonderful time playing together building things in Minecraft and the like when the reality is as soon as you finished building your house some random player joins in and sets it on fire within 2 minutes. If there is a way for somebody to be petty or mean, they will find it! It's not worth bothering about. Not that I want to hold hands and co-operative, if you are out there and I think I can beat you I will try. I once even came across my co-commander and had to think twice about hitting him!

Edit: Just thinking about this I remember now that my eldest actually got my account banned in Rocket League for bad loser abuse (they play online under my account)! I long ago deleted that game, I wonder if the ban still applies?!?!?