***** Kang (The Conqueror) *****

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  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    When people asked for a counter to Scarlet Witch, they didn't request an immortal guy who could absorb infinite damage and keep resurrecting forever.

    When people asked for a counter to Hulk, they didn't demand a character who also hard-countered cascades and attack tiles.

    When you continually escalate the overall power level to counter each previous overpowered guy, you're going to hit auto-win status eventually. This is what happens when you refuse to fix your mistakes.

    Ignoring the fact that this is a different dev team, I completely disagree with your conclusion. Take away the auto-win and Kang is basically perfect.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think I was agreeing with all this?

    There have only been a couple "nerf Kang" posts so far, and they haven't really argued much of anything. I did recognize them though, and made some guesses.

    Anyway I probably shouldn't have speculated about what their arguments would be, at least not until they made them.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Borstock said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    When people asked for a counter to Scarlet Witch, they didn't request an immortal guy who could absorb infinite damage and keep resurrecting forever.

    When people asked for a counter to Hulk, they didn't demand a character who also hard-countered cascades and attack tiles.

    When you continually escalate the overall power level to counter each previous overpowered guy, you're going to hit auto-win status eventually. This is what happens when you refuse to fix your mistakes.

    Ignoring the fact that this is a different dev team, I completely disagree with your conclusion. Take away the auto-win and Kang is basically perfect.

    You think they can keep pushing the power level forever? How? You're going to run out of design space eventually.

    Anyway, Chasm/Hulk is a mindless auto-win, SW/Colossus is a mindless auto-win, so why shouldn't all 3* players get their own mindless auto-win? Seems fair to me.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Kang will be a piece of cake on defense? I think many of you are only focusing on 9 blues and away.
    But he's got a super cheap black hitting like a truck, and that AP can't be drained so the danger comes in black and blue.
    Paired with SW, there would be pain.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Has the dev said anything about nerfing Kang's blue in discord yet? Someone (Tony_Foot?) has verified that 5* Wasp rework won't counter Kang.

    And you don't need 5* Hawkeye for this to work. The situations where it's difficult for Kang team to work is where there are Carbage, Kitty, Dr Strange, Kraven/Carnage and strong enemy attack tiles on the board.

    And Kang Team still can't beat 672 Okoye or other boosted meta. I'm still getting booted out of T20 when all these metas are boosted.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    The only communication we've had is that they're "addressing" the interaction with the immortal guys as "high priority."

    Edit: didn't mean to say I doubt their priorities or their addressing! What I meant was, they didn't say what specifically they'd be fixing or when.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Update is out and and they have fixed the order of Chasm's ap destruction. Instead of his ap destruction taking place in between player's passive and countdownx of cd/repeater, it's happening before player's passive.

  • fight4thedream
    fight4thedream Posts: 2,017 Chairperson of the Boards

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  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,012 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Borstock said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    When people asked for a counter to Scarlet Witch, they didn't request an immortal guy who could absorb infinite damage and keep resurrecting forever.

    When people asked for a counter to Hulk, they didn't demand a character who also hard-countered cascades and attack tiles.

    When you continually escalate the overall power level to counter each previous overpowered guy, you're going to hit auto-win status eventually. This is what happens when you refuse to fix your mistakes.

    Ignoring the fact that this is a different dev team, I completely disagree with your conclusion. Take away the auto-win and Kang is basically perfect.

    You think they can keep pushing the power level forever? How? You're going to run out of design space eventually.

    Anyway, Chasm/Hulk is a mindless auto-win, SW/Colossus is a mindless auto-win, so why shouldn't all 3* players get their own mindless auto-win? Seems fair to me.

    You're not pushing power levels by having a counter that is also beatable by other teams. That's your narrative.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Update is out and and they have fixed the order of Chasm's ap destruction. Instead of his ap destruction taking place in between player's passive and countdownx of cd/repeater, it's happening before player's passive.

    I'm being a bit thick today - what does this mean exactly?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Don't worry, I don't understand the difference either.
    I also have no idea what this means in practical terms.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    It depends on your team composition. For example, you are using Arcade and 1/2 Thor is tanking red/green/yellow. You end the match with Arcade being in front. On your next turn and before this fix was available, 1/2 Thor destroys tiles and ends up tanking due to matching red/yellow/green. Next, Chasm will destroy aps and deal damage to Thor due to the order of interaction.

    Assuming the same scenario above but with this fix out, Chasm will destroy aps and then deal damage to Arcade, followed by 1/2 Thor destroying tiles.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    So it just changes the order in which Chasm ruins the game for me?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I mean it's not a rework, he just functions now like he's supposed to.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I haven't tested the bugged away interaction between Kang and Chasm/iHulk yet. The dev said the fix will be out in the next release, which is supposed to be this release(?).

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Technically a rework to make him function predictably. It was noted in the bugs thread Chasm needed to be rebuilt, not a nerf or a buff but to make sure his ordering fit his description.

    I will probably move this to the Chasm nerf thread when I have more time.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    I wonder if it fixes Crystal too - although I sort of like that she can keep healing the team even when she is missing.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 Now that you mentioned Crystal, she doesn't heal the team while she's away. I suppose Kang can be used to send Chasm away and then down IHulk to win the match.

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