***** Kang (The Conqueror) *****

Nah, I wasn't trying to call you (or anybody else) out. People see the game different ways and that's ok.

It just seems like many of these arguments aren't related to any specific character, they're related to a player's overall philosophy. If someone is saying that a particular guy is too good, and someone else's outlook on the game is such that an offensive character cannot ever be too good, then they're just arguing on completely different axes.

I think they wanted a mechanic that is NOT the same as airborne. Away would be out of the fight. Like in another dimension or realm.

@GrimSkald said:

@dianetics said:
I just want to know how to evaluate Kang. If the first case is true he is very good, if the second case is true he is far less valuable.

Obviously, Chasm broke the game.

I just want to know if I should waste resources on Kang or not, and without a clear explanation of AWAY I really have no idea.

We know what AIRBORNE does and we know what INVISIBLE does...so I want to know what AWAY does.

To be perfectly honest, my take on it is "away" is functionally exactly the same as "airborne," the only difference is one status has the "away" tag, the other the "airborne" tag. In both cases the character still counts as being in the fight (for purposes of resurrection mechanics and when a team wins,) but otherwise cannot be interacted with save by a power that explicitly interacts with characters in that status. The big difference, of course, is that there are a number of powers that interact with "airborne," at this time only Kang and Wong interact with "Away." Kang wins if all his opponents are "downed" or "Away," Wong ends "away" status if his allies are downed.

Similar take, "Away" means not present at the moment and still exist. Like going on a vacation and not present for work.

Using Wong as an example, because he is first with the "Away" status.
If pairing with 5Cyclops, casting Wong away will not unleash Dark Phoenix.
If pairing with iHulk, casting Wong away will not change his revive ability.
With 5Cyclops, still active. With iHulk, still an ally.
So with Kang, is it really "all" or bugged ?

@entrailbucket said:
Ideally you'd really want to work all that out before you released characters that use the new status (and it'd be a massive amount of testing required), so something went wrong somewhere.

You just described what went wrong: it takes a lot of testing. Enjoy life as a beta tester!

@entrailbucket said:
Nah, I wasn't trying to call you (or anybody else) out. People see the game different ways and that's ok.

It just seems like many of these arguments aren't related to any specific character, they're related to a player's overall philosophy. If someone is saying that a particular guy is too good, and someone else's outlook on the game is such that an offensive character cannot ever be too good, then they're just arguing on completely different axes.

I liked the way you laid out two opposing points, but I think there's room for seeing the game as a competitive single-player game as well (at least in regards to PVE), basically like speedrunning with built-in leaderboards. That's essentially how I view it, it can be a level playing field but those with newer tricks and techniques can do better than others until they also adopt them. I find this absolutely fine for PVE; the fact that you can't simply 550 Okoye and then win the race forever is fantastic because it keeps that side of the game thriving imo and "Punch Up" characters are the main mechanism we see keeping things from stagnating on that side. Are 550'd Okoye or Apoc players typically the top5? Yes, but there's a lot more variety when you look at the t20 at least and those t5s are still likely having to play super optimally (with the spreadsheets and timers and all of that jazz).

The problem imo is how those characters then perform in PVP and how we interpret their ability to punch up in terms of what we believe is fair. I tend to climb high and then trade retals with midrange "fun" teams to get to 50 wins (still have difficulty making it to 1200 without more coordination/hopping than I care to engage in) and every so often I'll get absolutely destroyed somehow by a much smaller roster. I do pause and think about it for a minute but who knows, maybe they tossed some whales at me because I was worth the points to them or they pulled off some incredible strategy that I'd never even thought of. I really never take this kind of loss to heart even if it seems "unfair" on paper. Personally, I find it stings a lot more when I'm getting punched down at by a roster that puts mine to shame.

Actually "away " is something that happens quite a lot on multiverse of madness and I find great they reflected it in the game.
However posessed wanda knew how to come again, probably other characters will come returning sooner.
I'm curious on watching quantumania and learn how kang sends away.
And by the way as I said before I expected a lot of bugs

Using Kang’s away on the entire first wave of a wave node, insta-wins immediately AND you only get points for the last wave (Not full points). Need confirmation.

Update:
Getting opposing testing results. So… big shrug.

You won't see that because people only use that to snipe, then switch back to a non-cheese team to keep floating.

Need to add a mechanic similar to 5* riri intelligent design so Kang can't spam his away power.

Obviously they recognized the need to create a countdown that limited the spam use of 5* riri powers.