***** Kang (The Conqueror) *****

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  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @dianetics said:
    But they both have better partners than Kang…

    Strongly disagree. If their only weakness against Chasm hulk is the ap drain, then there is no better partner for them than Kang

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,094 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    HawkEyeball+Kang with Kang’s purple proc at 4 or 5 and Hawkeye’s purple at 5 means you gain 5 blue (and 2 red if you care) when a CD expires.

    2 turns = 10 blue (if you decide not get a blue match or + 1/2 AP boost.)

    There’s a good chance be able to one-shot chasm with Gargantos before he gets amount of chasm tiles he needs on turn 3 or 4 depending the levels of each character.

    But let’s suppose you can’t for some reason.

    Fire Gargantos blue and kill IHulk. Now you’ll have 3 1-turn CDs that can expire and give you 15 blue on 1 turn. 30 on 2 turns.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Tiger_Wong said:

    HawkEyeball+Kang with Kang’s purple proc at 4 or 5 and Hawkeye’s purple at 5 means you gain 5 blue (and 2 red if you care) when a CD expires.

    2 turns = 10 blue (if you decide not get a blue match or + 1/2 AP boost.)

    There’s a good chance be able to one-shot chasm with Gargantos before he gets amount of chasm tiles he needs on turn 3 or 4 depending the levels of each character.

    But let’s suppose you can’t for some reason.

    Fire Gargantos blue and kill IHulk. Now you’ll have 3 1-turn CDs that can expire and give you 15 blue on 1 turn. 30 on 2 turns.

    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Sp1d3r said:

    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

    https://streamable.com/nkzc2d if not here it is

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:

    Strongly disagree. If their only weakness against Chasm hulk is the ap drain, then there is no better partner for them than Kang

    sort of. SC without boardshake can stall out pretty easily (which saps him of both damage and healing potential). Kang might help SC keep whatever AP he already has, but in pick 2 I don't think he will help SC get to winfinite very quickly.

    Kang + fosthor seems likely to be strong in terms of offense, but somewhat vulnerable since they both lack any damage mitigation.

  • froggerjohn
    froggerjohn Posts: 374 Mover and Shaker

    @Sp1d3r said:
    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

    It's a nifty PvE exploit, but IM40 doesn't survive iHulk in PvP.
    Not going to work against Hulkasm.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Vhailorx said:

    sort of. SC without boardshake can stall out pretty easily (which saps him of both damage and healing potential). Kang might help SC keep whatever AP he already has, but in pick 2 I don't think he will help SC get to winfinite very quickly.

    Kang + fosthor seems likely to be strong in terms of offense, but somewhat vulnerable since they both lack any damage mitigation.

    Kang and Thor can't coexist because the Away status depends on having Kang's CD on the board. Thor will blow it up right away.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    But they both have better partners than Kang…

    So what’s the point of bringing him against iHulk and Chasm? I would rather run SheThor and Shang Chi against them and hope for charged tiles and lucky board shake.
    At least I would lose or win faster.

    Yeah, and also every Kang-based counter team that people have talked about here is abysmal on defense. You might as well run Shang-Chi because you'll get absolutely murdered if you run something like Kang and Gargantos or Hawkeye.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Sp1d3r said:

    It's a nifty PvE exploit, but IM40 doesn't survive iHulk in PvP.
    Not going to work against Hulkasm.

    No definitely not..

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,094 Chairperson of the Boards

    Aw man what a shame. I thought I figured out something that would’ve solved ALL of your problems in one quick stroke. Oh well. Guess it’s back to whining like a baby.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards

    You may not consider defense, but everyone else certainly does, which is why the metagame right now is a solid wall of probably the best defensive team ever.

    I don't see Kang changing that, so he's a failure as a counter. Like every other counter character they've ever done, besides SW.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,983 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:

    I never really consider defensive teams. For me it's all about offense and speed. Taking hits doesn't matter

    I'm with you. A counter doesn't need to be good on defense. I'll put out my own Immortal team when I'm done hunting them and live with the retals.

    I hate Chasm, but everything he does that kills the game for me has now been mitigated in pick-3. Pick-2 is still an issue on bad boost weeks, but I'm not miserable anymore.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    Borstock gets it

    "Failure as a counter" couldn't be more wrong

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards

    PvP will still be a wall of Chasm/Hulk, so how is Kang not a failure?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    You have NO IDEA what a “failure as a counter” is.

    Please educate me! I defer to your obvious expertise, tiger wong!

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor
    edited February 2023

    @entrailbucket said:
    PvP will still be a wall of Chasm/Hulk, so how is Kang not a failure?

    Because he allows me to easily cut through every team again, including Chasm/Hulk.

    All that was needed to unbreak Chasm was something that negates the AP drain, and now we've got it. Problem solved

    Why would I care about a "wall of chasm/hulks" if he's now just as easy to defeat as any other team?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,883 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Just getting your AP back doesn't make the fight as easy to win as any other team, you've still got to contend with the stun and endless resurrection nonsense. It makes it easier, but plenty of existing characters also make it easier and none of them saw any use.

    If Kang actually made it easy to beat Chasm, then people would stop using Chasm, because they'd start losing a lot. We wouldn't have a wall of the same team because it'd be a liability to run that team. I don't think that's going to happen.

    I guess we'll see. I've got Kang at 457 now (thanks Thing!) and I'll try him out a bit and see what happens.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    3+5 Kang Chained Offer is here. I think sales should be much higher compared to previous release chained offer. :D

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    3* Kang is already hilarious.
    Enemy Jane annoys you? Collect charged blue, give her a time out.

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