***** Kang (The Conqueror) *****

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  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @tupacboy said:

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    Oyi.... Does this make Kang DOA on solving hulkasm?

    I'd say it isn't DoA, but it isn't quite as quick as you may think it may be. Kang does mitigate Chasm's AP drain (at least I hope so, I haven't confirmed it yet, but it should at the very least get you back the 3 AP you lost last turn if not the 3 Chasm drains this turn,) and you can play tactically with the sent "Away" to prevent either character's tinykittyery for a few turns. An "away" Chasm doesn't create void tiles, for example, and an "away" iHulk doesn't do his AoE. Also, I'm not sure, but downing Chasm while iHulk is "away" may work, since it's not a part of his resurrection condition - someone will have to check that.

    You know what, the LRs are today, what the heck....

    Incidentally, I just did the last node of "Puzzle Gauntlet," I was hunting for a character that creates enemy protect tiles (Venom doesn't work so great, since all the damage is prevented,) and saw my newly-minted 3/3/3 5* Kang and thought "What the heck!"

    Sure enough, sent Sandman away, and the game ended. I suspect they'll add immunity to the "Away" condition to all bosses, though I'll also point out that since it just "wins" the game it might not count the damage you did against the round total - so that might be a limiting factor too.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,747 Chairperson of the Boards

    @GrimSkald said:

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    Ok, brought Kang and SW into a fight versus ChaHulk and lost (just barely, really, bad luck on Hulk's green and got hit with two of his red,) but it was informative. I learned two things:

    • I'm fairly sure the AP recovery happens after Chasm's AP drain, so it's effective at negating Chasm's most obnoxious power.
    • Neither character's resurrection mechanic is interrupted by the other character being "Away." Both iHulk and Chasm resurrected themselves when I downed them when the other was "Away."

    Which means you need 18 blue to auto-win instead of 9 which is a lot bigger ask. At least he stops the annoying AP drain which allows for another team mate who uses AP to be viable in a pick 2.

    Thanks for confirming what I suspected and that is Kang will auto win the Puzzle Gauntlet nodes at least until they code in immunity to being sent away.

    KGB

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,098 Chairperson of the Boards

    King’s purple passive adds +1 blue when a CD expires, not just destroyed. I ran HawkEyeball+Kang and every CD that expired granted 4 blue AP instead of just 3.

    With Gargantos invisible, there’s 3 1-turn CDs out. You gain 12 blue instead of 9 on that turn. 24 blue after 2 turns.

    27 blue AP might not be so infeasible after all.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:

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    So this implementation makes him useless i PvP unless this is a bug.

    Again, I wouldn't say "useless" here. He's probably a part of the fastest possible PvE team (I said it several pages ago, and now the PvE scientists are hard at work on it, I'm sure!)

    In PvP, if you bring Kang with some heavy-hitter active power guy, beating the resurrectors gets a lot easier. Also, if PvP ever becomes something besides the All Hulk/Chasm Show, All the Time, Kang would be quite useful. I can't think of any way that could possibly happen though...

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,722 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

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    Which means you need 18 blue to auto-win instead of 9 which is a lot bigger ask. At least he stops the annoying AP drain which allows for another team mate who uses AP to be viable in a pick 2.

    Yes, though sending either immortal bro away is less effective in and of itself, it does keep them off the board. It does mean that you'll probably target Chasm to prevent him from spamming his tinykitty void tiles, unless iHulk is hammering you stupidly badly.

    All in all its not the idea answer to HulkChasm, I think, but it does allow for other answers since it counters the real limiting factor to fighting that team - you have trouble using AP for your powers. HulkChasm will be the best team in a vacuum (or void - heheh,) but some boosted 5 stars are pretty effective against them, and Kang will make them more effective if you can afford to bring him.

    Thanks for confirming what I suspected and that is Kang will auto win the Puzzle Gauntlet nodes at least until they code in immunity to being sent away.

    KGB

    Yeah, which is something they probably won't bother with on normal 1 v 1 nodes, but will with Bosses. Though to rephrase what I said earlier to make it more clear - since Kang's thing is an "auto win" rather than "doing damage" it will probably only count the damage you did to the boss before you sent him away to the round total, rather than the full HP total of the boss. If that's the case they may well leave it, since it kind of carries its own inherent drawback.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    Chasm and Hulk still reviving seems to directly contradict what @IceIX claimed regarding Away status.

    "'Away' status is just that. The character in question isn't on the battlefield. When in this status, they cannot interact with the battle in any way, offensively or defensively. It's hard to deal damage when you're literally in Timbuktu."

    This is unfortunate

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    The other problem is, The Team That Shall Not Be Named puts a ton of constant, unavoidable pressure on your team's life total, and Kang has no way to heal or prevent that damage. So you may have trouble keeping him alive until your other guy can put down both resurrectors. Maybe Kang should've had an always-on, infinite resurrection ability too!

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @dianetics said:

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    I was referring to him in PvP, because if this is not a bug he is less valuable than Hit Monkey, and the main draw to use him in pvp has no value.
    In PvE he will still be fun and usefull in ultra high health nodes though,

    What are you talking about? The main draw to use him in pvp is his anti AP drain. That has not changed.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,017 Chairperson of the Boards

    If working as intended, his pick-2 value goes down, but his pick-3 value to hunt Immortal teams is still fine if you pair him with the Monkey and a battery. Might want to get those levels up, though.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor
    edited February 2023

    @dianetics said:
    The main draw was to essentially down a character for 9 blue ap. The anti ap drain was icing.

    If you are using him in pick 2 who do you pair him with where the anti ap drain has any value?

    Going against ihulk and chasm you are going to eat a huge chunk of damage, and if you bring a damage reducer that has value you will have no nuke or aoe to down them both.

    In pick 3 he will be just another choice

    He will still have value in PvE though.

    Shang Chi or Jane both come to mind. Both easily down both revivers and the only thing that holds them back is the AP drain

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Fighting chasm on a non mirror match means going all AP boosts and to be lucky matching the strong and second strongest color because of the unstopping drain.
    On pick 2, kang and apocalypse could destroy them without wasting +2 all AP.
    But yeah, on this team it's needed to collect AP like the old times.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @dianetics said:
    But they both have better partners than Kang…

    Strongly disagree. If their only weakness against Chasm hulk is the ap drain, then there is no better partner for them than Kang

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,098 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    HawkEyeball+Kang with Kang’s purple proc at 4 or 5 and Hawkeye’s purple at 5 means you gain 5 blue (and 2 red if you care) when a CD expires.

    2 turns = 10 blue (if you decide not get a blue match or + 1/2 AP boost.)

    There’s a good chance be able to one-shot chasm with Gargantos before he gets amount of chasm tiles he needs on turn 3 or 4 depending the levels of each character.

    But let’s suppose you can’t for some reason.

    Fire Gargantos blue and kill IHulk. Now you’ll have 3 1-turn CDs that can expire and give you 15 blue on 1 turn. 30 on 2 turns.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Tiger_Wong said:

    HawkEyeball+Kang with Kang’s purple proc at 4 or 5 and Hawkeye’s purple at 5 means you gain 5 blue (and 2 red if you care) when a CD expires.

    2 turns = 10 blue (if you decide not get a blue match or + 1/2 AP boost.)

    There’s a good chance be able to one-shot chasm with Gargantos before he gets amount of chasm tiles he needs on turn 3 or 4 depending the levels of each character.

    But let’s suppose you can’t for some reason.

    Fire Gargantos blue and kill IHulk. Now you’ll have 3 1-turn CDs that can expire and give you 15 blue on 1 turn. 30 on 2 turns.

    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Sp1d3r said:

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    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

    https://streamable.com/nkzc2d if not here it is

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:

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    Strongly disagree. If their only weakness against Chasm hulk is the ap drain, then there is no better partner for them than Kang

    sort of. SC without boardshake can stall out pretty easily (which saps him of both damage and healing potential). Kang might help SC keep whatever AP he already has, but in pick 2 I don't think he will help SC get to winfinite very quickly.

    Kang + fosthor seems likely to be strong in terms of offense, but somewhat vulnerable since they both lack any damage mitigation.

  • froggerjohn
    froggerjohn Posts: 374 Mover and Shaker

    @Sp1d3r said:
    If u have iron man's recharge its 9 blue ap per tile.. 3 tiles= game over.. did u see the video of this that was shared?

    It's a nifty PvE exploit, but IM40 doesn't survive iHulk in PvP.
    Not going to work against Hulkasm.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Vhailorx said:

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    sort of. SC without boardshake can stall out pretty easily (which saps him of both damage and healing potential). Kang might help SC keep whatever AP he already has, but in pick 2 I don't think he will help SC get to winfinite very quickly.

    Kang + fosthor seems likely to be strong in terms of offense, but somewhat vulnerable since they both lack any damage mitigation.

    Kang and Thor can't coexist because the Away status depends on having Kang's CD on the board. Thor will blow it up right away.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    But they both have better partners than Kang…

    So what’s the point of bringing him against iHulk and Chasm? I would rather run SheThor and Shang Chi against them and hope for charged tiles and lucky board shake.
    At least I would lose or win faster.

    Yeah, and also every Kang-based counter team that people have talked about here is abysmal on defense. You might as well run Shang-Chi because you'll get absolutely murdered if you run something like Kang and Gargantos or Hawkeye.

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