The ChaHulk meta

I don't feel like reading through 38 pages here, but I want to ask those people who keep saying they have no problems with Chasm/iHulk/Shulk teams who are they using?

I have been using Wanda, Crystal, and Monkey and I have been having success, but that team will often need 2-3 health packs after one match.

Not everyone, and mostly people who have no imagination.
I ran Apoc Archangel the whole pvp.

The counters used in this months Shield SIM to break the Chasm wall in no particular order are:

Wanda, Colossus, third usually Crystal, no boosts required, bring AoE (PX) and Stun (MBW) TU, target iHulk before Chasm so he tanks then kill Chasm. Use PX AoE if both below 10k health. Use whales if no PX available. When they fix the Hit Monkey and Silver Surfer permakill TUs those will be the method choice.

Chasm, iHulk, same strategy as above. You want your Chasm to die just before the opponent to use up all the Abyss tiles.

Wanda and Hit Monkey. Probably the most straight forward. Wanda and HM create red tiles, HM nukes with red and has as sweet villain bonus. Probably want to kill iHulk last since Wanda benefits from the AoE.

Riri, mThor, third (Colossus, Electro, or 1/2 Thor) boost green and all. Bring MBW TU or yellow boost. Target green and red. Riri creates charges then stuns every round, mThor removes the countdown between turns or by firing blue. Target Chasm and kill before abyss tiles on the board. mThor can kill everyone when the board is filled with charges. I used this one because I don’t have Wanda champed and had difficulty timing the Chasm kill in the mirror match. I don’t practice enough. The times I did the mirror I used whales.

Other than Chasm, iHulk, none of these counters can be considered defensive teams in a game with mThor. If you see them on defense someone has a made a mistake.

As and aside, Apocalypse, especially when boosted, is a great third for the immortal bros though you need to bring boosts to get the yellow necessary to get the train going.

I forgot, a great theoretical counter to the immortal meta would be Wanda/Electro, Colossus, Thanos. Here you would target iHulk and repeatedly kill until everyone is dead. Switch Colossus with Black Panther when BP is boosted or he is buffed. Maybe a stun TU would be in order to keep Chasm from adding abyss tiles after using them all. Unfortunately, as all are classic characters fewer players have them at a reasonable level than they do Chasm and iHulk, since the second has been meta since release in PvE. If they have all three at all.

Lol bucket, you're the antithesis to "buffs, not nerfs!".
Your answer is to simply make every character mediocre at best.

@Daredevil217 said:

There is a whole lot of projection and straw armies in this thread. It’s actually been entertaining to read but geez.

I got a little carried away, so thanks for this. I agree.

One thing, though -- the leaderboards will always be full of minmaxers because being at the top of the leaderboard requires using a certain set of strategies (cupcake eating, PvE optimization), and all the players who do that stuff are minmaxers. Basically those two things are highly correlated but we can't assume causation.

We don't really know if a balanced-roster strategy can be as successful, because there aren't any high-level balanced-roster players trying to compete.

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@entrailbucket said:

@Bowgentle said:
Lol bucket, you're the antithesis to "buffs, not nerfs!".
Your answer is to simply make every character mediocre at best.

If they're all mediocre, aren't they all good?

If you have a few 15 out of 10s, a whole ton of 7s, 8s, and 9s, and a few 3s and 4s, and you want balance, you can either make them all 15s or make them all 7-9s. One option seems more realistic than the other.

Edit: if you do make them all 15s, then by definition, everyone is mediocre.

Ideally, you aim to have everyone at 10, not 7 or 15.

Right...and to get there, you need to bring those 15s down to 10...sooooooo