Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

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  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    You don’t even have to track your acquisition. 220 pulls is about 25 pulls per cover if you already have 4 from Events and PvE. 300 is about 23/cover. Both are higher than the 21/cover expected from a 1/7 pull rate. It is easy to hoard until until a character is about to rotate then calculate how many pulls you likely need to fully cover a character. As an example if I need 7 covers for a character I’m pretty comfortable pulling if I have 175 hoarded. Keep in mind rng might have different plans so more pulls is better, especially at small samples.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Sekilicious said:
    You don’t even have to track your acquisition. 220 pulls is about 25 pulls per cover if you already have 4 from Events and PvE. 300 is about 23/cover. Both are higher than the 21/cover expected from a 1/7 pull rate. It is easy to hoard until until a character is about to rotate then calculate how many pulls you likely need to fully cover a character. As an example if I need 7 covers for a character I’m pretty comfortable pulling if I have 175 hoarded. Keep in mind rng might have different plans so more pulls is better, especially at small samples.

    I might be missing somthing but how do u get 5* covers from pve events? Or do I need to play pvp aswel for extra shards?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Sp1d3r said:

    @Sekilicious said:
    You don’t even have to track your acquisition. 220 pulls is about 25 pulls per cover if you already have 4 from Events and PvE. 300 is about 23/cover. Both are higher than the 21/cover expected from a 1/7 pull rate. It is easy to hoard until until a character is about to rotate then calculate how many pulls you likely need to fully cover a character. As an example if I need 7 covers for a character I’m pretty comfortable pulling if I have 175 hoarded. Keep in mind rng might have different plans so more pulls is better, especially at small samples.

    I might be missing somthing but how do u get 5* covers from pve events? Or do I need to play pvp aswel for extra shards?

    Characters are featured 4 times, that's 4x250 shards in CL10 from progression only.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Bowgentle said:

    @Sp1d3r said:

    @Sekilicious said:
    You don’t even have to track your acquisition. 220 pulls is about 25 pulls per cover if you already have 4 from Events and PvE. 300 is about 23/cover. Both are higher than the 21/cover expected from a 1/7 pull rate. It is easy to hoard until until a character is about to rotate then calculate how many pulls you likely need to fully cover a character. As an example if I need 7 covers for a character I’m pretty comfortable pulling if I have 175 hoarded. Keep in mind rng might have different plans so more pulls is better, especially at small samples.

    I might be missing somthing but how do u get 5* covers from pve events? Or do I need to play pvp aswel for extra shards?

    Characters are featured 4 times, that's 4x250 shards in CL10 from progression only.

    Cheers I never knew that.. I've just started hitting CL10 properly I've hit max progression in the last 4 events so hopefully I'll start to notice the difference soon

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    How can I find out when the 5* will be swapping out of the LL store

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Sp1d3r said:
    How can I find out when the 5* will be swapping out of the LL store

    It's always start of pvp season.
    Now, we have no idea when the next season will start, so...
    Might be this Thursday, might be next week, might be who knows when.

    She-Hulk will rotate out.

  • Sp1d3r
    Sp1d3r Posts: 187 Tile Toppler

    @Bowgentle said:

    @Sp1d3r said:
    How can I find out when the 5* will be swapping out of the LL store

    It's always start of pvp season.
    Now, we have no idea when the next season will start, so...
    Might be this Thursday, might be next week, might be who knows when.

    She-Hulk will rotate out.

    Thanks.. I've actually done alright on she hulk she's at 5,3,1 with 1 saved cover and that's with pulling as I go

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    The trigger for version 2 of this thread was the introduction of scl10 and the commensurate change to rewards, plus changes in the metagame and experiments in roster building strategy.

    Has the game/metagame/reward structure changed enough that it's time for version 3? Has your goal changed now that you've championed everybody?You're certainly using a much different strategy than you were in the first post of version 2.

    It’s a good question; at this point my only real goal is trying to spend CP into Classic and keep pace with new releases. I don’t know if I have anything like a meaningful “y’all should do it like this” block of metrics to post here, primarily because I benefitted so much from all the retro shuffling they just did. Maybe I’ll see what ‘23 brings in the way of changes to figure out if there is actually a new thread to be started.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    Finally got that last black I needed for 1* Yelena, so my 1* tier is complete.

    Currently every non-NEW unique 4 and 5 are champed till the season rolls over, I have two recently flipped 3 I’m rebuilding.

    Juggernaut seems to be gaining levels quite fast, he is currently level 352. Looks like specific dates of posts get contracted down to just month/year so it’s hard to pin down a shards/day metric just using the forum.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,532 Chairperson of the Boards

    With Riri and Hit-Monkey in, I finally hit the milestone. All 5* are now champed. I have rostered all the 1* too. The only "unfinished" is my 12 cover Abomination.

    Which leaves me with the question: Who do I target now for shards? My targets have always been to feed a specific 5* that I was chasing, but now?

    3* - it's Hit-Monkey/Arcade to get them max champed

    4* - maybe Polaris / Juggs to get them maxed out too? Or maybe just generally looking to raise the levels of some of my lagging 4* (I'll be the only person targeting Talos with 4* shards)

    5* - no idea! I guess Wong, but that's next season. Maybe whoever has the most shards to see if i can start flipping levels? Or one of the metas?

  • Punter1
    Punter1 Posts: 732 Critical Contributor

    I now have a champed 5* Hit Monkey. My Yelena is at 1/5.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    I've chosen to walk my 5* shard around to whichever 5* is within 100 shards of a level until "next out" is somebody I don't have. I didn't want to just park them on a "meta" character so that i'd have just one much higher leveled than the others character. that feels like it would feel like the single 5* champ MMR days, and I'd have to use that one character always, so I've been looking for more even leveling.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I've chosen to walk my 5* shard around to whichever 5* is within 100 shards of a level until "next out" is somebody I don't have. I didn't want to just park them on a "meta" character so that i'd have just one much higher leveled than the others character. that feels like it would feel like the single 5* champ MMR days, and I'd have to use that one character always, so I've been looking for more even leveling.

    I mean, you need 166 pulls for one measly cover.
    I don't think you need to worry of that one character racing ahead.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    Yeah, the main reason to favourite five stars, other than milestones and opening hoards, is so when you get bonus shards they aren’t wasted on awful characters. I would probably pick between Okoye, Apocalypse, and Shang-Chi in this particular case. Thankfully I probably a decade away from anything of the sort.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    If they keep fixing those "awful" characters, a lot of people who ignored them will have trouble during their boosted weeks.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    Nah 460 is enough for those.
    Champ em all but pick good ones to get slightly higher after that.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I've chosen to walk my 5* shard around to whichever 5* is within 100 shards of a level until "next out" is somebody I don't have. I didn't want to just park them on a "meta" character so that i'd have just one much higher leveled than the others character. that feels like it would feel like the single 5* champ MMR days, and I'd have to use that one character always, so I've been looking for more even leveling.

    I mean, you need 166 pulls for one measly cover.
    I don't think you need to worry of that one character racing ahead.

    i'm not worried about anyone racing anywhere, but it's exactly because of the glacial pace of 5* growth and how hard it is to pivot if you put yourself in a bind that I didn't want to park it on one forever.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I've chosen to walk my 5* shard around to whichever 5* is within 100 shards of a level until "next out" is somebody I don't have. I didn't want to just park them on a "meta" character so that i'd have just one much higher leveled than the others character. that feels like it would feel like the single 5* champ MMR days, and I'd have to use that one character always, so I've been looking for more even leveling.

    I mean, you need 166 pulls for one measly cover.
    I don't think you need to worry of that one character racing ahead.

    i'm not worried about anyone racing anywhere, but it's exactly because of the glacial pace of 5* growth and how hard it is to pivot if you put yourself in a bind that I didn't want to park it on one forever.

    Yeah I'm still catching up from my three year break, and I only pull every 3 months (with the exception of Jane Chasm who were too good to ignore), so different situation.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    Given the current environment and the direction they seem to be going, if I was a new player and you gave me 100 5* covers of my choice, I'd take 10 covers each of 10 "good-when-boosted" guys vs 100 covers of one "good-all-the-time" guy.

    Two years ago, that choice would be extraordinarily stupid, but now I think there's a 50/50 chance that it's optimal, and that chance keeps tilting toward the "more characters" side.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2023

    Was that choice ever stupid, though?
    We always advised to build broad, not tall, so you are nerf-proof.
    So there aren't any nerfs anymore but who knows when an old char you neglected becomes relevant again.

    Remember, bucket, not everyone is you, with the choice of 10 550s vs 50 510s.
    I've always told "normal" people to get a staple of good 450s instead of going all in on the current hotness.

    For non-hoarders "all in" means getting a char to 480, maybe, not 550.

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