Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

Ive been putting all my cps into LLs is this a mistake as i only ever have a chance of pulling 1 of 3 characters and once they move out of LLs i cant pull them anymore..am i doing the right thing or should i buy CLs instead? i just after some advice as a player trying to build my 5* roster.. Thanks.

The recommendation for the 4 to 5 transition is to pull from CL until you have all 5s rostered and about 75 4s fully covered or champed. Then hoard until you have 300 pulls from LLs. Then wait until there are two good 5s in LL (or a new character store with two meta if you have 7500 cp) and pull the hoard.
After you have a healthy 4* roster (champ rewards are the best source of LL tokens and cp) and can play PvE SCL10 to progression every event then covering the three in LL is pretty easy, but you have choices. If you want to champ everything wait to pull until characters you need covered are about to leave and only pull until you get 13. This should give you an excess of cp to cover classics from special token stores.
If you only want meta characters hoard until they are offered to pull. Once you get 1800 pulls you can get meta characters from the LL to 550, but that takes over a year of hoarding even with a healthy 4* roster and playing SCL10. This will let you cover classic 5s as well, since once you get all three 5s in the LL store to 550 customer service will convert the excess to any character you want. This is the approach needed if you want to compete in PvE with the ancient veteran rosters that populate the wilds of MPQ.
A hybrid approach would be to get every character to 7 covers then let feeders get you the last 6 you need. Hoarding all the way.
The final approach is to only pull classics, but if you have no 5s you are relying on rng to get you the meta characters that make PvE and PvP bearable. But like entrail has show you will get all 5s to 450+ at roughly the same time. However, as RW has shown in this thread you can switch to all classics after your 4 and 5* roster is mature enough.
Edit - there is also the soft cap approach, in which you never transition from 4 to 5. Here, just cap your 5s to your highest 4. This way you can pull from anything you want and Polaris will always be meta. You can complete SCL10 to progression though maybe stick to the easy ones until Polaris is huge.
TL/DR - hoarding is life and life is hoarding. But there are alternatives depending on your goals.

@Sp1d3r said:

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@dianetics said:

@Sp1d3r said:
Ive been putting all my cps into LLs is this a mistake as i only ever have a chance of pulling 1 of 3 characters and once they move out of LLs i cant pull them anymore..am i doing the right thing or should i buy CLs instead? i just after some advice as a player trying to build my 5* roster.. Thanks.

It really depends on your LL Token and CP generation. Are you pulling as you go or are you saving up tokens and cp? How much do you generate for a month on average?

I pull as I go.. I hit max progression I every pve scl10 so my cp generation is pretty good I steer clear from pvp tho as I made the mistake of champing 3 5*s and my opponent lvl jumped massively

Yeah you need to hoard to make sure you can get 300 pulls every 3 months to champ all latest 5s.

@Sekilicious said:
The recommendation for the 4 to 5 transition is to pull from CL until you have all 5s rostered and about 75 4s fully covered or champed. Then hoard until you have 300 pulls from LLs. Then wait until there are two good 5s in LL (or a new character store with two meta if you have 7500 cp) and pull the hoard.
After you have a healthy 4* roster (champ rewards are the best source of LL tokens and cp) and can play PvE SCL10 to progression every event then covering the three in LL is pretty easy, but you have choices. If you want to champ everything wait to pull until characters you need covered are about to leave and only pull until you get 13. This should give you an excess of cp to cover classics from special token stores.
If you only want meta characters hoard until they are offered to pull. Once you get 1800 pulls you can get meta characters from the LL to 550, but that takes over a year of hoarding even with a healthy 4* roster and playing SCL10. This will let you cover classic 5s as well, since once you get all three 5s in the LL store to 550 customer service will convert the excess to any character you want. This is the approach needed if you want to compete in PvE with the ancient veteran rosters that populate the wilds of MPQ.
A hybrid approach would be to get every character to 7 covers then let feeders get you the last 6 you need. Hoarding all the way.
The final approach is to only pull classics, but if you have no 5s you are relying on rng to get you the meta characters that make PvE and PvP bearable. But like entrail has show you will get all 5s to 450+ at roughly the same time. However, as RW has shown in this thread you can switch to all classics after your 4 and 5* roster is mature enough.
Edit - there is also the soft cap approach, in which you never transition from 4 to 5. Here, just cap your 5s to your highest 4. This way you can pull from anything you want and Polaris will always be meta. You can complete SCL10 to progression though maybe stick to the easy ones until Polaris is huge.
TL/DR - hoarding is life and life is hoarding. But there are alternatives depending on your goals.

Thanks for your time this is very interesting from the sound of it I need to start hoarding

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@Bowgentle said:
Yeah you need to hoard to make sure you can get 300 pulls every 3 months to champ all latest 5s.

Thanks I'll start that today and see how I get on

This number might be down quite a bit now given there are potentially 2 covers for each 5* available via Boss events. That means you only need 11 covers per character now (again, assuming your in an alliance that finished round 8) or 12 if only you make progression in boss events.

Plus of course all the shards from CL10 (assuming you do that CL).
Plus potential retro rewards from 4* if you happen to have any at L280 and the new 5* gets a 4* feeder at release.

Not sure what the math adds up to, but I suspect you can earn ~3-5 covers from all the above which dramatically lowers how many pulls you need from Latest. I know that since early last year I've covered all but 2 5* (and those are at 11 covers after the recent retro feeders) without opening anything close to 300 tokens.

KGB

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@Sp1d3r said:

@Bowgentle said:
Yeah you need to hoard to make sure you can get 300 pulls every 3 months to champ all latest 5s.

Thanks I'll start that today and see how I get on

This number might be down quite a bit now given there are potentially 2 covers for each 5* available via Boss events. That means you only need 11 covers per character now (again, assuming your in an alliance that finished round 8) or 12 if only you make progression in boss events.

Plus of course all the shards from CL10 (assuming you do that CL).
Plus potential retro rewards from 4* if you happen to have any at L280 and the new 5* gets a 4* feeder at release.

Not sure what the math adds up to, but I suspect you can earn ~3-5 covers from all the above which dramatically lowers how many pulls you need from Latest. I know that since early last year I've covered all but 2 5* (and those are at 11 covers after the recent retro feeders) without opening anything close to 300 tokens.

KGB

This is a good point. With every 5 having a feeder from the outset and about 4 of each release gifted to the player you only need to pull 3 of each in the LL to champ everything (eventually anyways) going forward once you play SCL10 consistently. This lets you spend cp anywhere you like. The optimal approach would be whatever your goals are.

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@Sp1d3r said:

@Bowgentle said:
Yeah you need to hoard to make sure you can get 300 pulls every 3 months to champ all latest 5s.

Thanks I'll start that today and see how I get on

This number might be down quite a bit now given there are potentially 2 covers for each 5* available via Boss events. That means you only need 11 covers per character now (again, assuming your in an alliance that finished round 8) or 12 if only you make progression in boss events.

Plus of course all the shards from CL10 (assuming you do that CL).
Plus potential retro rewards from 4* if you happen to have any at L280 and the new 5* gets a 4* feeder at release.

Not sure what the math adds up to, but I suspect you can earn ~3-5 covers from all the above which dramatically lowers how many pulls you need from Latest. I know that since early last year I've covered all but 2 5* (and those are at 11 covers after the recent retro feeders) without opening anything close to 300 tokens.

KGB

Thanks I'll keep this in mind..my alliance does finish round 8 in group events and I do play CL10.. can't believe I've been doing it wrong all this time

One way is missing out here. Play the game as a 5* player. My way.
Pull from LL and the 5* with more complete power covers (4 or 5 it's better), choose it as your champion. Then favorite the 3* and 4* feeding him. Also don't loose sight of the best 4* playing with him. Use 720 cps to upgrade his powers. If you never let cps without earning, in ~8 months that 5* will be champed. Now cps will be easy to earn.
Save and save, on 4 months 180 pulls will be possible to get. Pull on LL, probably 2 5s will be champed. Repeat and repeat, now all 5s will be champed and 4s on progression.
Now all 5s are pretty good, I did it with one of the worst, kingping.
This is a really competitive way.
I have all characters rosted, day 1508, 43 5*s champed, previous to kitty I have really few champed.

A 5* will be in Latest Legends for around three months. You can earn 2 covers through Shards in CL10. Then a potential 2 more covers in Boss events. You will need to pull between 9 and 11 covers across that three month period to champ a given 5*. Which is between 180 and 220 pulls in three months. Or 60 to 74 a month.
What I would do is track your LL token and Command Point income for a few weeks and see if you are making the 180 and 220 to keep up with that. If you are, then you'll be able to keep up with Championing all the new releases. If you're not, you will need to find ways to make up that difference. Every 5* having a feeder helps. If you have extra CP, you can look at pulling from other vaults.
I have been able to keep up on champing the Latest for the last year by doing this. Some were a little bit closer than others, but it can be done.

The trigger for version 2 of this thread was the introduction of scl10 and the commensurate change to rewards, plus changes in the metagame and experiments in roster building strategy.

Has the game/metagame/reward structure changed enough that it's time for version 3? Has your goal changed now that you've championed everybody?You're certainly using a much different strategy than you were in the first post of version 2.