Heroic Venom PvE Discussion Thread 4/10 - 4/17

Phantron wrote:

There are two issues with scaling. The deadly missions are meant to be hard, and as far as I can tell in the absence of the 'Anti-Spiderman Factor', they're indeed appropriately hard. I was getting slapped by them repeatedly too even with a level 141 BP. Now whether the deadly missions are too easy for someone with a weak roster is something I cannot comment directly since I can't just reduce my roster's strength to see what the enemies are. Looking at the typical dominance of guys with super weak roster I do think it's a little bit too easy but in that case that means the missions for the guys with weaker roster should be a bit harder.

Separately there's the Anti-Spiderman Factor that they clearly are putting in to try to stop people from using Spiderman. I'm hearing guys fighting level 300 guys and there's no way any combination of past history or roster can possibly explain that. This factor easily trumps any other factor in your roster, so if you're labeled as a dirty web-slinger you're pretty much screwed. I don't have anything meaningful to say on this other than that they should just hurry up and nerf him instead of randomly forcing some people to fight level 300 guys for using Spiderman. I understand it's needed because Spiderman is godlike in PvE but if you need to invent a scaling factor to just counter the effect of one guy, then just nerf that guy already.

Phantron wrote:

Your performance obviously influences how much the enemy goes up by, but the baseline still has to be established by your level. If all it takes is doing poorly in a PvE event, it can't be that hard to find someone with a good roster that is just doing terrible recently. That is, you should have some guy who have level 100+ characters that barely played in the last few events because it's too hard or not enough time, and then that guy will be like 'hey guys all my deadly enemies are level 30!' As far as I can tell an event like that has never happened. Level 70 seems to be about the lowest you can expect for the starting level for deadly in this event. Now, for whatever reason it is entirely possible the scaling takes them to level 400. That part is somewhat of a mystery, but I don't see how it can be below around 70 for anyone with a level 100+ character, simply because if it can be, there must be some guy out there that has been doing bad enough recently to easily match whatever poor performance another weak roster guy can do.

On the other hand, we also know people with weak roster can't even be seeing enemies comparable to a high end roster that's doing poorly. Spoit said he saw level 70 guys, and I'm sure everyone has seen plenty of those 'how did this guy win my bracket???' screenshots. There's almost no way a guy with say a level 15 HT + level 50 IM35 + level 20 Hawkeye can even beat 3 level 70 guys reliably, so they must be seeing even weaker enemies for those guys to lead your bracket. Some of these guys don't even have a Spiderman or OBW, which means going to prologue to heal is not an option at all. Even if you've a level 141 HT and you're seeing level 70 base enemies, it really doesn't take long for the guys to chew through his health. The starting level 90 guys had no problem eating a significant part of my level 141 BP's 7K health. And of course we know these guys with the weak roster most certainly don't have a level 141 HT either. Even if you assume their HT has 5K HP, that simply doesn't last very long against even level 70 opposition, so the only way these guys can be winning their bracket has to be that their opponents are way below even what the poorest performance high level roster guy is seeing.

NorthernPolarity wrote:

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Phantron wrote:

Pretty sure the levels on Heroic Jugg was just low for everyone because the roster is arguably even more crippled there. You don't have Black Panther, and gaining Modern Black Widow doesn't come close to making that up. I remember I was barely beating The Hood + Muscle + Juggernaut when they're at level 50.

I loved that roster, level 100 IM40 / 85 A. Wolvie / 1 2/5 mBW was doing work for me that round. BP obviously is miles ahead of that team even by himself, but I had a blast playing my super derpy team during that event.