Follow the leader — into midsummer rivalry

Magic:PQ Support Team
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In Lorwyn, some creatures rise above the rest, demanding the strength of another to fuel their own. These champions lead through sacrifice.

Leader is a returning mechanic.
As a creature with Leader enters the battlefield, it exiles all tokens you control with any of its given subtypes and is reinforced for each token and token reinforcement it exiled. If a token with any of the given subtypes would enter the battlefield under your control, this creature is reinforced instead.

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  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,979 Chairperson of the Boards

    Leader is one of my favorite mechanics! Glad to see it make a comeback, and with a pretty good card!

  • gozmaster
    gozmaster Posts: 354 Mover and Shaker

    OOOOH I'm REALLY Hyped about this new set. (Legit) lol, Can't WAIT to spoil the cards we got for you guys. But this one is DOPE!

  • ArielSira
    ArielSira Posts: 576 Critical Contributor

    Same as Main, I love Leader!

  • TheHunter
    TheHunter Posts: 378 Mover and Shaker

    Wow 100% behind more Leaders for all my lovely tokens <3<3<3 I'm really excited for this set!!

  • Janosik
    Janosik Posts: 841 Critical Contributor

    Are we not getting the Through The Omenpaths version of Spider-Man then?

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    How many faerie token generators do you think they’ll give us?

    Will this just be another Biogenic Ooze? You know, the leader they forgot to actually make tokens for until after it had left standard?

  • KaizerDestiny
    KaizerDestiny Posts: 6 Just Dropped In

    Leader has always been a mechanic that was cool to have and powerful with surrounding support. I'm excited to see what is in store for us.

  • Magic:PQ Support Team
    Magic:PQ Support Team ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 3,655 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Janosik said:
    Are we not getting the Through The Omenpaths version of Spider-Man then?

    Correct, we'll not be releasing Through the Omenpaths.

  • JTK421
    JTK421 Posts: 54 Match Maker

    I’m glad leader is coming back, though since it’s Lorwyn, the most likely useful leaders are Elves and Goblins

  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,979 Chairperson of the Boards

    @fenelope said:
    How many faerie token generators do you think they’ll give us?

    Will this just be another Biogenic Ooze? You know, the leader they forgot to actually make tokens for until after it had left standard?

    There are fairies generators in standard currently

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    Yes, two in Foundations (one of which is a masterpiece—easy to acquire, no doubt!) and two in Wilds of Eldraine. So this is already better than Biogenic Ooze… but that’s a pretty low bar, isn’t it?

  • TheDude1
    TheDude1 Posts: 228 Tile Toppler

    @fenelope said:
    Yes, two in Foundations (one of which is a masterpiece—easy to acquire, no doubt!) and two in Wilds of Eldraine. So this is already better than Biogenic Ooze… but that’s a pretty low bar, isn’t it?

    I was assured that masterpieces were easier to get your mits on...than some people think it is. So having four token generators before the actual set drops seems reasonable to me.

    These comments are also peculiar since Lorwyn is known as a tribal set (including faeries!), which Ravnica was not. It's more like thoughtlessly musing if there would be dragon tokens in Tarkir.

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    @TheDude1 said:

    @fenelope said:
    Yes, two in Foundations (one of which is a masterpiece—easy to acquire, no doubt!) and two in Wilds of Eldraine. So this is already better than Biogenic Ooze… but that’s a pretty low bar, isn’t it?

    I was assured that masterpieces were easier to get your mits on...than some people think it is. So having four token generators before the actual set drops seems reasonable to me.

    These comments are also peculiar since Lorwyn is known as a tribal set (including faeries!), which Ravnica was not. It's more like thoughtlessly musing if there would be dragon tokens in Tarkir.

    If you keep reading a little bit further in the comment you so helpfully linked, you’ll find the next paragraph reads “This is not to say that there aren't a large number of players who don't have access to the majority of the cards” so it does seem that some players have an easier time collecting masterpieces than others (although I’ll be the first to acknowledge they they earn those resources)

    As for dragon tokens in Tarkir, it’s funny you mention that! While several cards do specifically refer to “non-token dragon creatures” there aren’t any cards that generate dragon tokens in that set… unless I’m overlooking something?

  • TheDude1
    TheDude1 Posts: 228 Tile Toppler

    @fenelope said:

    As for dragon tokens in Tarkir, it’s funny you mention that! While several cards do specifically refer to “non-token dragon creatures” there aren’t any cards that generate dragon tokens in that set… unless I’m overlooking something?

    You are 100% correct. There is only one dragon token creator in Tarkir (Dragonback Assault) and it requires a very niche outcome to create. There are several more in other sets (2 Ravnica, 2 Foundations, 1 Aetherdrift, 1 OTJ), but I was wrong about the Tarkir set and stand completely corrected.

    I do still think it's wiser to wait for the set to be released before raising the comment, as it was Oktagon responsible for the Ooze issue and not Webcore. Besides The Ancient One (LCI MP), Webcore hasn't produced any leader creatures to judge against.

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    Yes @TheDude1 you’ve been consistent in your dislike of other people voicing their opinions 😉

  • TheDude1
    TheDude1 Posts: 228 Tile Toppler

    This forum is for people expressing their (wrong ;) ) opinions! But I'd rather hold Webcore responsible for things they do, like making Station an utterly unusable mechanic, than preemptively about things other developers have done. If it turns out there are no faerie token generators in what should be a tribal set featuring token Leaders, I'll be the first to agree with you on that front, right here in this thread.

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    @TheDude1 you’ll be delighted to learn that there are no faerie token generators in Lorwyn so it’s just the four we currently have in standard (of which I only have only one)

    I’m still not terribly excited about this leader but I do appreciate you reminding me to “wait and see.” But perhaps my perceived cynicism is actually just me having realistic expectations?

  • TheDude1
    TheDude1 Posts: 228 Tile Toppler

    @fenelope As promised, I came here to note the exact same thing. You were right, there are no Faerie tokens at all in this set. I 100% take the L on that prediction.

    I don't regret the wait-and-see, especially because I don't believe in judging Webcore for Oktagon's failures. (Especially on a case that is what, 5 years old?) And at the risk of being thought of as "tone police", I don't find idle cynicism any more beneficial than active trolling snark.

    With that said, it's frankly quite stupid how this transpired - if there aren't going to be any token generators, why feature that particular card? There are ten leader cards, of which the other nine all have at least one generator in the set. And if you liked the simplicity of the card to feature the mechanic with no other abilities, why not show Thoughtweft Trio? (There are cards that make your creatures changelings, but half of them are only until end of turn, and it's an incredibly clunky workaround.)

    There are plenty of positive updates/changes in 7.5 that I think are more impactful to the overall game than this card. But this was absolutely a miss, and I own my defense of it.

  • fenelope
    fenelope Posts: 37 Just Dropped In

    @TheDude1 I very much appreciate your comment! Even if I don’t appreciate (what I perceive to be as) your toxic positivity.

    And at the risk of being thought of as "tone police", I don't find idle cynicism any more beneficial than active trolling snark.

    Perhaps it’s best if we both agree to not ascribe morality to text without clarifying, yeah?

  • TheDude1
    TheDude1 Posts: 228 Tile Toppler

    Wait...

    Dredging up a 5-year-old grievance?
    Casting Oktagon's failures onto Webcore?
    "Toxic Positivity"?

    Sarah, if you wanted to post again after you left so abruptly, you didn't have to make a new profile.

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