Adventures with 5* Wasp.

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    They do have better partners, but I think these ones synergize: Polaris + Mags5, Beast4 + Apoc, some of the XMen like Logan, Ice5 and Proffessa5. Definitely the spiders, those are the ones that only really for sure rely on each other and of course only because they all play off their own tile type.

    I noticed Hopes abilities don't really change much with adding covers, what the heck is up with that? Really her blue is just very good, black is pretty good (especially if you get the scenario for infinite use) and yellow... should maybe true heal? I didn't read it, but is the concept of her yellow that you are eating the swarm to heal? mmm

    Since I happened to be checking out Antman also (note I don't have him ascended), but I'm not sure he can be saved. He is way too expensive for how bad he is; even if his punch is hitting for 52k, that is nothing for the specific needs and cost.

    I was thinking about Luke Cage/Iron Fist, the heroes for hire in general, all the abilities where there's an extra bonus if x specific character is on the team. The Ant people are definitely a good example of an intended combo that's not very good.

    I actually think the Spiders are an example of a bad combo too! Until very recently, all the web people had their active powers on the same colors, so they'd work in theory but in practice they were all competing for the same AP resources.

    It's not that big a deal, lots of these characters are good and have good combo partners that aren't the intended ones. It's just sort of weird.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor
    edited October 2024

    Woah yeah, the ones like IronCage and Moonlady and... other moon lady? I think for all anyone knows, those might not even function since they are so bad you would never notice or even check. Note for new development team: research "synergy"

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor
    edited October 2024

    @WhiteBomber said:

    I noticed Hopes abilities don't really change much with adding covers, what the heck is up with that? Really her blue is just very good, black is pretty good (especially if you get the scenario for infinite use) and yellow... should maybe true heal? I didn't read it, but is the concept of her yellow that you are eating the swarm to heal? mmm

    Welcome aboard of one build for Hope: 5/3/5 cause Yellow at 4 or 5 is not any better.

    @WhiteBomber said:

    Since I happened to be checking out Antman also (note I don't have him ascended), but I'm not sure he can be saved. He is way too expensive for how bad he is; even if his punch is hitting for 52k, that is nothing for the specific needs and cost.

    I'll give ya hint: Janet helps with that. It actually happens a lot when her Blue creates Blue or Purple swarm making him less expensive on spot. And ONE blue swarm tile shut downs any SAP creator (cept for Polaris) cause ya steal them. That's how I did Honor among thieves 3rd day CN. I forgot about that initially but when I got into that... sweet babies.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2024

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Woah yeah, the ones like IronCage and Moonlady and... other moon lady? I think for all anyone knows, those might not even function since they are so bad you would never notice or even check. Note for new development team: research "synergy"

    I honestly was like "moonstone?" in response to this...I totally forgot that both Phylae have these weird bonuses tacked onto them!

    In general I think those are ok. They're almost always useless, but as long as they don't take up too much of the power budget I'm not bothered by them being there. It is annoying that they don't seem to know how to do synergy at all, though.

    That kind of stuff is WAY better than some of the old attempts at it, too. The first version of Civil War Cap was completely useless unless his teammates were all Team Cap, and most of those guys were awful and had no synergy with him anyway.

    But it's still weird that so many characters who have obvious lore connections don't work together. And it's even weirder that most of our best combos have no lore connection at all!

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    Unfortunately they're really sort of bad at making characters combo on purpose. They've tried to do it a few times, and I can't think of a time it's worked out for them (anybody? Hopefully there's something I'm forgetting!).

    Probably R4G + Guardian of the Galaxy is the only really useful on purpose one I can think of.

    I suppose Hydra Stomper + Peggy for double stun immunity sounds good on paper but you are never going to find anybody using Hydra Stomper.

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor
    edited 7 April 2025, 06:32

    Cause I'm here anyway to write something new on Wasp/Swarm tiles, then a little bbit od progress report. I'm at 80+ 5* championed. Sam Cap needs 2 more and Gobbie needs 4 more. So steady progress. X-23 is ascended, working on Coleen (need 100 more covers ^_^). next I will do mThor and XF Wolvie to release they slots. Kinda starving on that.

    As of PVP... I need more fun. My previous challenge were terrible. Like terrible boring. Most of the time waisted on skips just to fight another mThor/SC cause apparently around 95% or 370 rosters in MPQ is useless....

    So I decided on different approach. Like Ultimate Waspventures: every fight must be done with Wasp; Both PVP and PVE. A little bit of challenge but not that much than previous. And I can do that cause I have some more time and do not need to use my besties to fast clears. Kinda slow approach. I made only once exception: I can use Kang teams in CN to not waiste health pack and be actually able to finish them.

    That being said, I may finally find something more on her like this, cause I will be using wasp more than usuall:

    Now I know that I can put swarm tile on top of critical tile. I knew about team up tiles (mostly done when , for example, 2* Cap Marvel turns tiles into team up), but not critical tiles.

  • PiMacleod
    PiMacleod Posts: 1,880 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Mr_F said:
    Cause I'm here anyway to write something new on Wasp/Swarm tiles, then a little bbit od progress report. I'm at 80+ 5* championed. Sam Cap needs 2 more and Gobbie needs 4 more. So steady progress. X-23 is ascended, working on Coleen (need 100 more covers ^_^). next I will do mThor and XF Wolvie to release they slots. Kinda starving on that.

    As of PVP... I need more fun. My previous challenge were terrible. Like terrible boring. Most of the time waisted on skips just to fight another mThor/SC cause apparently around 95% or 370 rosters in MPQ is useless....

    So I decided on different approach. Like Ultimate Waspventures: every fight must be done with Wasp; Both PVP and PVE. A little bit of challenge but not that much than previous. And I can do that cause I have some more time and do not need to use my besties to fast clears. Kinda slow approach. I made only once exception: I can use Kang teams in CN to not waiste health pack and be actually able to finish them.

    That being said, I may finally find something more on her like this, cause I will be using wasp more than usuall:

    Now I know that I can put swarm tile on top of critical tile. I knew about team up tiles (mostly done when , for example, 2* Cap Marvel turns tiles into team up), but not critical tiles.

    Your tenacity is awe-inspiring. I love the dedication.

    Does part of your restrictions involve not having other characters do the "heavy lifting"? Examples I'm thinking of include...
    Using Wasp's blue just for the AP theft alone, to power someone else's powers that WOULD do the heavy lifting.
    Using Wasp's yellow for invisibility, to empower someone else's invisibility based fun (like 5BP, just as an example)
    Or using someone to boost damage output, like Wanda/Okoye/Apoc/Emma/etc in order to make Wasp's swarm stuff more deadly...

    Just trying to see where the line is -- I get that it would ruin the challenge to run a SC/MThor of your own alongside of Wasp (just an example), but perhaps there are other ways to utilize her and yet not have to depend on her to take each target down by her own strength.

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor
    edited 8 April 2025, 18:57

    @PiMacleod

    I can do whatever I want as long as Wasp is in the team. That is a baseline and I'm doing minimal simulator PVP. It became stale, boring and everything opposite of fun & entertaiment.

    If time is not a problem and like me, you like using entire roster and avoid meta, then such challenge does not mean "slap Wasp on top of 'good' teammate and call it a day". I do use whatever I want based on time I have. People may view her as "liability" or whatever in any teamcomp cause she is expensive and have convoluted kit and "not beaing mThor/Polaris/Sidewinder/Galactus himself" BUT She is kinda jack of all trades: a tank, a disruptor, a support, a dps and a healer but master of none of these. on top of being slow and having convoluted kit. But if everybody is mThor, nobody is.

    Geez, maybe we need a colab. A discord talk when ya play with her with my aid and then post it on YT. I dunno. I sometimes think that only way to show people that she is BETTER than they think is to actually show her extensive gameplay with commentary.

  • PiMacleod
    PiMacleod Posts: 1,880 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Mr_F said:
    @PiMacleod

    I can do whatever I want as long as Wasp is in the team. That is a baseline and I'm doing minimal simulator PVP. It became stale, boring and everything opposite of fun & entertaiment.

    If time is not a problem and like me, you like using entire roster and avoid meta, then such challenge does not mean "slap Wasp on top of 'good' teammate and call it a day". I do use whatever I want based on time I have. People may view her as "liability" or whatever in any teamcomp cause she is expensive and have convoluted kit and "not beaing mThor/Polaris/Sidewinder/Galactus himself" BUT She is kinda jack of all trades: a tank, a disruptor, a support, a dps and a healer but master of none of these. on top of being slow and having convoluted kit. But if everybody is mThor, nobody is.

    Geez, maybe we need a colab. A discord talk when ya play with her with my aid and then post it on YT. I dunno. I sometimes think that only way to show people that she is BETTER than they think is to actually show her extensive gameplay with commentary.

    Maybe I'll have to run a few with her at some point... some sort of left-field team comps, just to eff around a bit. You know, for science and all that. ;)

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    Has she been boosted lately? I champed her a while back and have been waiting for a chance to try her out boosted.

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor
    edited 15 April 2025, 20:34

    @DAZ0273 I dont remember when she was boosted last time. And I do not have time to search that,

    @PiMacleod

    Some tips. Her best team is her winfinite - 4BW, Deathlock and Wasp. I can do most of the CN with that. I have tested it with Shuri but it does not work as good.

    Outside of that. She is slow. I have to admit that. And that is her bigger downside. I usually go either with Wasp and Ant-Man ascended but that is no option for ya. In native 5* I go with Strange (he generates two of her colors) and Emma for her red and purple. Strange solve kinda her problems with AP and he is usefull. Emma is self explanatory here. I can easily do 10-25k AOE damage with her black 2 (Grow the Swarm) with that combo. And I go solely for her blue as it is stronger than Strange's (more damage).

    Outside of that, I have many times defeated SC/mThor with her and whatever else in pick 2. Yeah, I lost mant of that to - SC and Jane doing their stuff basicaly - but still. If enemies aren't top meta, she is fine. As many more 5*.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    Well this is disappointing. If even the master of calling the swarm can't tell me the optimal time to call the swarm I am not sure the swarm will get called. :(:'(

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor
    edited 15 April 2025, 20:45

    @DAZ0273 said:
    Well this is disappointing. If even the master of calling the swarm can't tell me the optimal time to call the swarm I am not sure the swarm will get called. :(:'(

    I do not need her to be boosted to rock with her. That is why I do no track those wonderful days. Every day is wonderful.

    Also, last time she was boosted was at at week between Christmas and New year (https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/91317/whats-new-mpq-dec-2024-updated-12-10-24/p1). I got it checked (found few minutes to do so). So for all 5* to be boosted it takes roughly 26 weeks. Expect her to be boosted in 10 weeks+.

  • PiMacleod
    PiMacleod Posts: 1,880 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Mr_F said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    Well this is disappointing. If even the master of calling the swarm can't tell me the optimal time to call the swarm I am not sure the swarm will get called. :(:'(

    I do not need her to be boosted to rock with her. That is why I do no track those wonderful days._ Every day is wonderful. _

    That's the optimism I want to see in the world. :)