mThor dillemma.

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  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2024

    @DAZ0273 said:
    All I can say is my baby champed Gambit is absolutely wrecking any mmmbop Thor's I am meeting, it isn't even close, so if you want easy PvP this week getcha self a Gambit!

    Yeah, I'm seeing very few mthor teams this pvp and the ones I do are gambit fodder. With half thor fueling him red on top of his own passive she doesn't last long.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2024

    Also half thor and a big ascended juggernaut can one shot her and a big dr strange will blast her if she gets enough ap to start firing powers. This boost week is very anti Jane.

    It's like the devs saw all the conversation about being sick of seeing her in pvp, and were like, have a week without her on us.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,372 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2024

    The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely).

    They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.)

    Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely).

    They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.)

    Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo.

    I was mostly joking on that last comment

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,372 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @bluewolf said:
    The boost list is still largely chronological for 5s (and I think 4s, but I’m not tracking it closely).

    They have mixed it up a little but BP, Strange, Gambit and Thor were all released within a year of each other. It was also when 5s were rarer. Thor immediately followed Gambit. (The Hellfire boost list moved things around a bit.)

    Anyway they aren’t dynamically responding to player concerns imo.

    I was mostly joking on that last comment

    Shoulda caught that! Kinda suspected that….but I couldn’t stop my inner pedant, I guess.

  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker

    I think is about time, thanks.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,233 Chairperson of the Boards

    NO. Enough with this topic.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards

    This has to be trolling

  • BobDucca
    BobDucca Posts: 36 Just Dropped In

    This is kinda his thing I think:

    Nerf Kang: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88709/nerf-kang/p1
    Nerf Okoye: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/84073/nerf-okoye/p1

    Same comment both times too.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,049 Chairperson of the Boards

    Wow, if this was all it took, I could've written about 20,000 less words on here...

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BobDucca said:
    This is kinda his thing I think:

    Nerf Kang: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88709/nerf-kang/p1
    Nerf Okoye: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/84073/nerf-okoye/p1

    Same comment both times too.

    Yeah, this is why I said this must be trolling. The same guy creates a nerf whoever is popular at the time thread and then disappears into the bushes like Homer Simpson while everyone else argues.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,727 Chairperson of the Boards

    How about no?

    I have to say, I like the hashtag "ChasmDidNothingWrong," despite the fact that I thoroughly disagree with it. If Chasm wasn't nerfed I probably wouldn't still be playing, he sucked all the life out of this game and was boring as heck to fight.

    Maybe he's a Chasm fan.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think that's just part of the trolling. Saying characters like kang should be Nerfed but chasm was just fine. Next topic will be Nerf wasp.

  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker

    I'm still here frens, pretty sure trolling is against the site rules so I would never do that.

    Anyway, back on topic, I would gladly hear everyone thoughts on why she shouldn't be nerfed, I can give mine on why she should considering she's the most powerful character in the game and no one else comes even close, the only thing that kept her at bay after release was Chasm and after the nerf he has been found dead in a ditch in 2v2 so she has been free to run rampant since.

    • Passive and on demand board shake thanks to her blue passive.
    • Charged tiles allow her to exponentially accelerate her ap gain.
    • Three cheap powers.
    • Best anti special tiles character, there is no space for characters that depend on keeping special tiles on the board to do damage or increase their utility when she's around, especially when the devs treat the fortified status as a 95 in their power budget scale.
    • Scaling red single target nuke that gets even better the longest the match it goes on.
    • Her yellow is a pseudo aoe that turns into massive damage single target nuke with little to no downsides.
    • Above average match damage and hp for a character that does this much.
    • And this is a personal one but her turn takes longer on average than most other characters.

    With that said, lets keep this thread free of ad hominem attacks and focus on the important things, like nerfing mThor.

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,099 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ursopro said:
    I think is about time, thanks.

    No. That’s stupid. You’re welcome.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,569 Chairperson of the Boards

    Shaw's passive purple shuts her down pretty effectively actually, even for a 280s level 4*. he eats her passive charge tiles every turn so the shake never really happens. This works way better than Cosmo.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,028 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2024

    At this point, I would be disappointed in a nerf for two reasons:

    1: I think she's the most fun character in the game.

    2: She's a glass cannon that a lot of people use early in PvP for climbing purposes. I target those teams for easy wins.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,707 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ursopro said:
    I'm still here frens, pretty sure trolling is against the site rules so I would never do that.

    Anyway, back on topic, I would gladly hear everyone thoughts on why she shouldn't be nerfed, I can give mine on why she should considering she's the most powerful character in the game and no one else comes even close, the only thing that kept her at bay after release was Chasm and after the nerf he has been found dead in a ditch in 2v2 so she has been free to run rampant since.

    • Passive and on demand board shake thanks to her blue passive.
    • Charged tiles allow her to exponentially accelerate her ap gain.
    • Three cheap powers.
    • Best anti special tiles character, there is no space for characters that depend on keeping special tiles on the board to do damage or increase their utility when she's around, especially when the devs treat the fortified status as a 95 in their power budget scale.
    • Scaling red single target nuke that gets even better the longest the match it goes on.
    • Her yellow is a pseudo aoe that turns into massive damage single target nuke with little to no downsides.
    • Above average match damage and hp for a character that does this much.
    • And this is a personal one but her turn takes longer on average than most other characters.

    With that said, lets keep this thread free of ad hominem attacks and focus on the important things, like nerfing mThor.

    Okay, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that what seems like obvious trolling really isn't and beat this dead horse again.

    • Most run her 5/3/5, so she only makes 2 charged tiles to start. It’s not hard generally to match one right away and keep matching them to use against her. Bring someone with big match damage like p5 Collosus or boosted 5 star to hammer her with her own charged tiles against her. A lot of the time I save her for last so she can keep making charged tiles for me to take advantage of.
    • See earlier point
    • They’re not cheap enough for her to fire them. In my experience she’s dead before she’s done anything.
    • So? Don’t use those teams against her. In my experience she’s only in pvp until I hit like 600 points. After that it’s all boosted list and Omega Red teams. Special tile teams work fine against those, unless mthor happens to be on the boost list.
    • The match never gets long enough for her to fire her red once, let alone so many times that it actually hurts.
    • Again, rarely happens
    • Seem pretty average to me with newer 5’s
    • True. My only personal gripe is that if the AI doesn’t have enough AP to fire a power but then gets a big cascade match 5 and gathers up a bunch on AP the AI still won’t fire a power until next turn. With Mthor though if her opening cascade does happen to gather enough ap to fire a power, then she will do so once her turn starts. That seems kind of ****.

    Mthor teams are so easy to beat I'd rather face them than just about any other team.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,532 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2024

    Thanks @Scofie

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,643 Chairperson of the Boards

    Thanks - I've merged with the existing discussion thread. If anyone wants to continue the debate, please go ahead within the bounds of forum rules.

    But can I ask 3 things, respectfully:

    1) Read the rest of the thread (and any others on exactly the same subject) before posting.

    2) If what you're about to post is not a new and original thought, please refrain from posting. Nobody is going to be convinced of either point of view by saying the same thing again.

    3) Please don't tell us what mThor's powers do. We know.

    Thanks

    Scofie