Prevalence of MThor and could she be the target of a rebalance?

Nah your point is mostly "play how you want but have fun!"
But you follow it with 5 paragraphs of "how I think you can maximize fun and piss off all-in people!" Which confuses people.

@bbigler said:
@entrailbucket

EDIT: what I’ve learned from this forum and other alliance chats is that everyone’s experience playing this game is not the same. So what seems true to you may not be true for someone else. The MThor argument proves that I think.

This is my biggest take away from not only this thread but the meta game in general. What entrail sees at 550 MMR is not what I see at 490 MMR. That was true during the Chasm thread and it is true for this thread as well.

What one person sees in their MMR is only indicative of their MMR. Which is why broad sweeping generalizations are mosbunall incorrect. I see walls of Thor where others might not. I didn't see walls of Chasm where others did.

Beyond that even is also the fact that there is a fair amount of subjectivity in play styles and in player experiences. What is fun for one person isn't necessarily fun for others.

@dianetics said:

How PvP is structured right now does not incentivize new people trying to come in and join. It actually pushes people out.

I can agree with that.
Once you have a decent roster, 18 final cps just doesn't worth spending the gold in shields, and much less playing 50 matches.
Also alliances will have advantage against an individual player( this rarely happens in any other asynchronous pvp).
After chasm's debacle, I found that actually I didn't need to rank up at all, just getting to 500 points. If I have a lot of time and good godboost I can push to 1000 points but I wouldn't do that for habit or obligation never more.
Imo the whole system should change in order to be less toxic and more inclusive.
And a new MMR matchmaking won't change the pvp core.

I highly doubt new players look at season brackets.
They look at the current event.
And really new players are playing in lower CLs.
None of us have any idea how placement looks there.

You're doing what most of us are doing - minimizing shield usage while still placing t5/10.
It just happens that your slice scores lower than say, S4 - which is your own decision.
As you very well know, season placement isn't worth the HP expense to get it, individual PVP rewards is where it's at.
And even they need an update.

@dianetics said:

@Bowgentle said:
You're doing what most of us are doing - minimizing shield usage while still placing t5/10.
It just happens that your slice scores lower than say, S4 - which is your own decision.
As you very well know, season placement isn't worth the HP expense to get it, individual PVP rewards is where it's at.
And even they need an update.

I don't deny any of this. You are 100% correct. I'm not at odds with you on this at all.

I play slice 5 because it works best for my time zone against PvE. I could play slice 2 but it interferes with PvE. So I offset it by playing slice 5.

I could push hard every event, but as you mentioned it is not worth the time or resource investment.

I would rather spend an extra hour in the gym than PvP and gain nothing extra from it aside from a few extra heroic pulls.

The devs should split season placement to 500 players per.

Bow you right now are t10. If you were t2 within 3% would you push harder to get t1?

Unless you're secretly a player whose name I'd know, it literally does not matter how hard you push, because the game is rigged against you (by us, not the devs). You won't place because someone else is fully in control of that.

Edit: and by the way, if they split season brackets, you won't place there either. This is all worked out in advance. You can't win.

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
Unless you're secretly a player whose name I'd know, it literally does not matter how hard you push, because the game is rigged against you (by us, not the devs). You won't place because someone else is fully in control of that.

If they slimmed season brackets down it would be harder to rig.

You know as well do I that people get punched when they are open. It happens to me and my guildmates often. It is part of this games PvP.

Don't act like it is some illuminati ****.

@Bowgentle said:
Nah I will never t1 without going to s4.
I won't even keep t10.
That's fine, I'm ok with t25.

I'm saying if the season was split into t500 groups and you were number 2, then you would work harder.

I know if a season was top 500 i would be motivated to push every pvp event.

It actually kind of is Illuminati stuff, though? I mean, not to that level, but I promise you there is absolutely nothing you can do to win a bracket ever. However much you score, someone who's coordinating will score more.

@Bowgentle said:
And that's fine.
If you want cutthroat PVP, there's S2 and S5.
If you want a very, very easy 1200, there's S1.
If you want a stone, you go S4.
I have no clue what's going on in S3.

Genuine question: PvP slices have flips too, right? So is the above true just for the initial flip, or for all flips in those slices? That’s something I’ve always wondered.

. > @Bowgentle said:

And that's fine.
If you want cutthroat PVP, there's S2 and S5.
If you want a very, very easy 1200, there's S1.
If you want a stone, you go S4.
I have no clue what's going on in S3.

Is it fine? No, it isn't at all.
In other games you can grind hard and you can get high rewards in a high rank.
But this game has extrinsic factors and no matter how much you play you can't win.
EB talking about no one played other games? Maybe that's true. If not pvp's system would had been revamped 5 years ago.
Maybe limiting the skip button

@Scofie said:
Tsk. I came here for another 5 pages of argument about how OP MThor is but all I got was an insightful conversation about the state of PvP in the modern game...

Now how do I get into this illuminati group and get T1 without playing PvP....? I once got 2nd place through a lucky bracket snipe with 7 minutes remaining.

Oh, I'm sure there are 8 or 10 players around here who'd be happy to give you an invite. You won't get t1 anywhere ever though, even with a public room -- those spots are predetermined and only available to those in the extra special top secret rooms (I wish I was joking).