5* Thor Counter

It seems like all the optimizers 550d her, so I've had tons of experience fighting her at that level. You really need to kill her first, and fast, or she gets out of hand. Paired with Riri, the AI can very easily stunlock you permanently.

She's also pretty random though. If the AI hits a big cascade off her passive, you're just dead. Sometimes she doesn't do anything at all though. The longer she's alive, the higher the chance that you'll get randomly murdered.

I generally approach her like any other immediate-kill priority. Boost match damage, boost AP into your biggest hits, hope you can kill her before she kills you or stunlocks you. Unboosted, her health is like 100k, so it's not too bad.

I haven't tried Jeff against her yet but I don't expect much. She charges tiles quickly enough that a one-time, 6ap active unchanging isn't going to do that much.

@HoundofShadow said:
A 550 counter team against a 550 Thor team is no different from 450 counter team against 450 Thor team. The only difference is that the maximum level 550 player see is 550 Thor, which put them on equal footing. On the other hand, for baby champed roster, we will see even 550 Thor in our queue sometimes, which means they have a 100 level advantage over us.

Anyway, she's as good a glass cannon.

I think her health is probably too high to call her a "glass" cannon -- it's low compared to the lvl650+ I'm typically running out there, but not low compared to other unboosted 5*.

"Fun, easy play style" = "watch the game play itself while you do other stuff."

...seriously though, Thors in MPQ always seem to be that way. They're also generally the best characters in their tier. I'm not sure why.

@Vhailorx said:

@BoyWonder1914 said:

@Vhailorx said:
Yes, if you are using very old 5*s like jean Grey or FA Cap I can see how that would be more of a struggle.

What 5* s do you have access too? And how complete is your 4* roster? Also, as Hound asks. Are you thinking of pick 2 or pick 3?

If you just mirror the character then I don't really see how that qualifies as a "counter". This is both pick-2 and pick-3. Riri was recently boosted, and Shang Chi is boosted now, so Thor has been present in every Pick 2 PVP I've played recently. She is also quite present in the Pick 3 Shield Sim, where the third will often be someone like PX, Onslaught, or America who make cascades that much more devastating.

Bringing a 4-star to fight like this is suicide, not quite sure why you're asking that, but I have mostly everyone rostered. I don't have them all champed though - the link in my sig is relatively up to date.

Who said I "just" mirror her? I said that she is good, but there are other teams that work against her. When boosted, her mirror match is also boosted, which helps for sure. Assuming you have her, of course. (And she should be on your short list of ultra-high priority 5*s to chase, along with SC for PVE and Chasm/iHulk for pvp).

As for using unboosted teams against meta boosted characters the best strategy is almost always stun lock. Otherwise it's 1-2 healthpacks per match at best and a team wipe/retreat if the ai gets a cascade. Iceman is still basically the only stunlock option in 5* land (though I assume Hound has some exotic elektra or ghostpool alternative to offer), but there are several good stunlock options in 4* land (iceman, polaris, mantis).

Re: asking about 4s, yes you will get targeted if you run 4s late in a pvp event. But using 4s can be viable if you have the right 5 to pair with them. And they dramatically expand the pool of useful abilities available. Plus when boosted they can be viable against some 5*s.

I am looming at your roster now and may have more thoughts after seeing what tools you have available.

Fair enough, I appreciate it. I only came back a few weeks ago after being gone somewhere around 2 years, I definitely missed out on the Shang Chi party that I heard Anniversary was. Sounds like Thor wasn't super long ago, but in either case I'm likely gonna need a Fan Favorite store of some kind to catch up.

@Vhailorx said:
Iceman is still basically the only stunlock option in 5* land

5* Riri…

I agree she is the random character type who can beat you in the same way than a lucky cascade with PX and onslaught. And she pairs well with any character not having traditional special tiles.
The best counter in order to not look AI playing a 2 minutes turn is the same as fighting BB: just match charged tiles.
At 550 MMR I really doubt someone will be playing the shark in order to counter her , something says me that few people are going to max him.

She doesn't destroy abyss, web tiles, swarm or traps, or at least if she destroys them is because of random chance.
If chasm stales the battle she won't be able to place more charged tiles because everything is full of chasm.
True story.

@Daredevil217 said:

@Vhailorx said:
Iceman is still basically the only stunlock option in 5* land

5* Riri…

By herself, not so much. But with fosthor she can get there. She is also intriguing in that she has a cheap, short, aoe stun, while most of thenother stunlockers are better at disabling a key opponent for a longer time and can only stunlock the whole enemy team later in a match when you have more ap abd have dropped at least one opponent.

As for OP, your roster definitely indicates that you quit more or less at the end of Demi's long run of sub-par 5* releases post-kitty. So you may be in an especially bad spot for the current environment (most advice will be based on 2+ years of higher quality 5* releases that really fill out the tier that you cant access just yet).

Short term something like iceman + your best boosted damage dealer is probably the best option but it won't be pretty. Maybe focus on playing early in events and aiming for 500/12 wins-and-out, especially on weeks when meta teams are boosted

Mid term chase SC (maybe even with the direct buy cover availavle now if you can afford the cash). He is useful for both pve and pvp offense, and can pair well with several 4*s (SC + valkyrie is quite viable up to 500 in pvp).

Longer term we will have to see if the cha-hulk/ri-thor meta persists or if kang or someone newer takes over. This is more a matter of picking your general 5* roster strategy, which I assume you know how to do well since you successfully built one during the "bad old days."