***** Magik (Phoenix Five) *****

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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I guess the formula is (main damage + bonus damage) * Emma's boost.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Someone should try out Wong/Emma/Magik to see if Wong can further stack the % damage on Magik.

  • tonypq
    tonypq Posts: 557 Critical Contributor

    You guys think all the damage stacking is by design and not something we'll be told down the road is bug fix ?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Who knows since they don't talk.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Who knows since they don't talk.

    Right, we have absolutely no idea whether or not this is intended, and it really, really affects how strong she is.

  • tonypq
    tonypq Posts: 557 Critical Contributor

    It's going to make a difference how hard people pull for her too. Even with the ability changes if the damage boosting stacks then I think quite a few players will pull for a decent amount of covers. Just tough not knowing if she's working as intended with the lack of input from BC.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    Does Okoye boost the Polaris/Morbius abilities? The main negative example that I'm 100% sure about is 4* Juggernaut's passive, and that is definitely NOT boosted by anybody. I'm about 90% sure that OBW is the same way, because I remember people complaining about that one too.

    I think there's a post on here somewhere that compares all these abilities and asks for clarification on how/why some are boosted and some are not.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    ...aaaaaand, found it. Roadwarrior did a really extensive breakdown. The game is, in fact, incredibly inconsistent about what gets boosted and what doesn't.

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/79221/wakanda-forever-how-does-it-even-work

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    I dont know if Polaris is boosted by Okoye, but i do know Polaris is boosted by the Vibranium Ore Team up and 4Juggs is not.
    I passingly remember they reverted his bonus damage to match damage and not ability damage, but that was years ago and I could be ****. So im not sure.

    **edit it was probably that post

    Polaris is definitely boosted by Okoye.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    Looks like I was wrong about OBW too, but maybe I was misremembering how it worked in some ancient version.

    Anyway, the point of all this is -- it's unclear whether Okoye etc boosting Magik is by design, because the precedent is kind of all over the place and we've never definitively heard from them what the actual criteria are.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    Omg…. 😂 did somebody seriously just say the devs should add “this attack can be boosted”?

    🤣

    Ya’ll seriously don’t want to do ANYTHING huh?

    Why have power descriptions at all then? Just list the cost, and let players figure out what the power does.

    Or, keep the cost secret too! Asking how much a power costs to use is just laziness, everyone should be able to figure that out on their own!

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Well, I say the same that many hours ago.
    Why this character and others not?
    The monkey has 35% bonus against villains, wong has supernatural affiliation bonus. The monkey could have a wonderful 65% against villains, but sadly it doesn't stack (I'm not in kansas but my app just works in this way).
    The monkey could be great, wong could be great, but it doesn't work.
    Why exactly now magik is a killer and others characters not?

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,741 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    Omg…. 😂 did somebody seriously just say the devs should add “this attack can be boosted”?

    🤣

    Ya’ll seriously don’t want to do ANYTHING huh?

    Why have power descriptions at all then? Just list the cost, and let players figure out what the power does.

    Or, keep the cost secret too! Asking how much a power costs to use is just laziness, everyone should be able to figure that out on their own!

    What we really need is an extra icon on each character's power like a ? that you can click and get more details about the 'kind' of damage that it is (for powers with multiple damage we need a description for each on this extra details page).

    That's because we have multiple types of damage in the game (match, power, tile destruction etc). Each of those damage types has it's own set of rules on what boosts it and what stacks etc. That way we'd know for sure since so many powers have ambiguous descriptions since many were written a LONG time ago.

    Unfortunately the number of hours it would take is probably prohibitive for it to ever get done so we are left doing it ourselves and making a Wiki some place.

    KGB

  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler

    Polaris definitely boosted by Okoye. Polaris/Oko/KK is an epic damage engine, once it gets going.

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,098 Chairperson of the Boards

    🤣 this is hilarious. Absolutely, 100% hilarity.

    Now we got strawman arguments?! 😂 I can’t breathe! 😂

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    If I was mocking others thinking that a failure in a programming design is actually the ok version, it would be me the one who couldn't breathe later :D

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,015 Chairperson of the Boards

    Whether or not this is working as intended is a pull or not situation for me. Definitely need the devs to weigh in.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    @KGB said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    Omg…. 😂 did somebody seriously just say the devs should add “this attack can be boosted”?

    🤣

    Ya’ll seriously don’t want to do ANYTHING huh?

    Why have power descriptions at all then? Just list the cost, and let players figure out what the power does.

    Or, keep the cost secret too! Asking how much a power costs to use is just laziness, everyone should be able to figure that out on their own!

    What we really need is an extra icon on each character's power like a ? that you can click and get more details about the 'kind' of damage that it is (for powers with multiple damage we need a description for each on this extra details page).

    That's because we have multiple types of damage in the game (match, power, tile destruction etc). Each of those damage types has it's own set of rules on what boosts it and what stacks etc. That way we'd know for sure since so many powers have ambiguous descriptions since many were written a LONG time ago.

    Unfortunately the number of hours it would take is probably prohibitive for it to ever get done so we are left doing it ourselves and making a Wiki some place.

    KGB

    Something like this may not be completely crazy -- it just depends on how they've got this stuff coded. I agree that updating/steamrolling all the descriptions is probably not gonna happen now, especially because most of them contain tons of flavor text too.

    But the power descriptions definitely aren't how this stuff is coded in the backend and if the code is mostly uniform you could do this with a couple regexes. I'm not sure they'd ever prioritize it, but who knows.

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    She should be boosting Magik...the real question is after all this time why doesn't Juggs get boosted he is the black sheep.

    Juggs doesn't get boosted because his power was explicitly excluded from damage boosts. It was clearly a conscious choice as he launched right as the reality of the damage-boost meta was setting in for demi. the quote from demiurge_anthony here on the forums was "Juggernaut's power Collateral Damage will not activate Okoye's power Wakanda Forever as it is associated with making a match." (quote is available at https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/79212/juggernaut-fear-itself/p2 if anyone wants to check.)

    I imagine you can all have lots of fun dissecting that quote.

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